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References

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I just add the "unreferenced" template to the top of the page. The <a href="http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008207/index.htm">first reference</a> does not discuss clubs at all, and should probably be removed. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080503291.html">The second</a> only mentions that changes are being made to grooves, which is relevant where it is cited, but not helpful for anything else in the article. nhinchey (talk) 03:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to {{refimprove}} tag, as there are references, but more and better ones are needed. wjematherbigissue 09:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Club Collection

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I have already stated this at the wood page, but I have a fairly extensive collection of golf clubs, rare, old, and new. I've been getting pics of them up. I'll try to fill out the irons page with example pics of most of the listed types of iron. I can supply modern high end forged, modern name brand cavity back, early cavity backs, early oversized cavity backs, hybrids, old blades, muscle backs, and the like. I'll be doing this within the next few days. ReignMan (talk) 04:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you're still around, some photos would be great! David Spector (user/talk) 14:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit me

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Iron 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 PW AW SW LW LW+
Loft[nb 1] 15° 18° 21° 24° 27° 30° 34° 38° 44° 48° 52° 56° 60° 64°
Lie[nb 2] 60.5° 61° 61.5° 62° 62.5° 63° 63.5° 64° 64.5° 65° 65° 65° 65° 65°
Bounce[nb 3] 0° 0-1° 0-2° 0-3° 0-4° 0-5° 1-6° 2-7° 3-8° 4-9° 5-10° 5-10° 5-10° 5-10°
Length (in)[nb 4] 38.75 39.25 38.75 38.25 37.75 37.25 36.75 36.25 35.75 35.5 35.5 35.25 35 35
  1. ^ Standard loft angles vary slightly between models of club.
  2. ^ Different golfers require lie angles that may be as much as +/- 3 degrees than the standard ones listed.
  3. ^ Varies significantly, with game improvement type clubs having much more than those designed for the better player.
  4. ^ Standard lengths. Golfers may have different shaft lengths to suit their game.

Username 1 (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted clearly that these values are not set in stone and some of them, especially weight and lie, can very wildly, before it is inserted into the article. In addition I would cut the table down to lofts and lies only removing weight and bounce. I certainly don't think bounce should be included because there is an enormous difference between starter/game improvement clubs and those for the low handicapper/professional. wjematherbigissue 11:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Should Length be the length of the entire club or just the shaft? I think Loft, Lie, Bounce and Length should go on this page but be more specific on Loft, Lie, Bounce, Mass/cm3 and Length on hybrid (golf), cavity-back iron, and muscle-back iron pages.

Username 1 (talk) 15:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Loft and lie are the main two, are pretty standard across the board for different type of club, and the ones that get listed by manufacturers most often and can therefore likely be well referenced. Length (I think shaft length is what is generally quoted) is fairly standard as well, so could be included. Bounce and weight, can vary so much between models, even those of the same type, so it serves no purpose to add them as the values given will only ever be vaguely approximations.
It may also be good to list the lofts from clubs 20+ years ago to show how they have generally been strengthened over time, resulting in the introduction of the gap wedge. wjematherbigissue 16:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Having checked a few manufacturers websites, it is clear that the only things that are reasonably standard are the loft (which are actually a bit stronger than those you have listed), lie (a bit shallower) and length (which look way out). Bounce varies hugely between manufacturers and models, and is certainly not zero across the board, as you can see from these "tour" models: [1] [2] [3] [4] Also, I meant to say before that swingweight is more important that actual weight. wjematherbigissue 21:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Better, but there needs to be an independent source to verify the information. Maybe a magazine or newspaper article? wjematherbigissue 21:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and added the table to cavity-back iron and it appears as follows

Iron 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 PW AW SW LW LW+
Loft[nb 1] 18° 21° 24° 27° 30° 34° 38° 44° 48° 52° 56° 60° 64°
Lie[nb 2] 61° 61.5° 62° 62.5° 63° 63.5° 64° 64.5° 65° 65° 65° 65° 65°
Bounce[nb 3] 0-1° 0-2° 0-3° 0-4° 0-5° 1-6° 2-7° 3-8° 4-9° 5-10° 5-10° 5-10° 5-10°
Clubhead mass (g)[nb 4] 220 230 240 250 260 270 280 290 300 300 300 300 300
Length (in)[nb 5] 39.25 38.75 38.25 37.75 37.25 36.75 36.25 35.75 35.5 35.5 35.25 35 35
  1. ^ Varies slightly between models.
  2. ^ Varies between models.
  3. ^ Varies significantly between models.
  4. ^ Varies between models.
  5. ^ Standard lengths. Golfers may have different shaft lengths to suit their game.

Username 1 (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Muscle-back iron

Iron 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 PW AW SW LW LW+
Loft[nb 1] 21° 24° 27° 30° 34° 38° 44° 48° 52° 56° 60° 64°
Lie[nb 2] 61.5° 62° 62.5° 63° 63.5° 64° 64.5° 65° 65° 65° 65° 65°
Bounce[nb 3] 0-2° 0-3° 0-4° 0-5° 1-6° 2-7° 3-8° 4-9° 5-10° 5-10° 5-10° 5-10°
Clubhead mass (g)[nb 4] 230 240 250 260 270 280 290 300 300 300 300 300
Length (in)[nb 5] 38.75 38.25 37.75 37.25 36.75 36.25 35.75 35.5 35.5 35.25 35 35
  1. ^ Varies slightly between models.
  2. ^ Varies between models.
  3. ^ Varies significantly between models.
  4. ^ Varies between models.
  5. ^ Standard lengths. Golfers may have different shaft lengths to suit their game.

Hybrids

Hybrid 1 2 3 4 5 6
Loft[nb 1] 15° 18° 21° 24° 27° 30°
Lie[nb 2] 60.5° 61° 61.5° 62° 62.5° 63°
Bounce[nb 3] 0° 0-1° 0-2° 0-3° 0-4° 0-5°
Length (in)[nb 4] 38.75 39.25 38.75 38.25 37.75 37.25
  1. ^ Standard loft angles vary between models of club.
  2. ^ Different golfers require lie angles that may be as much as +/- 3 degrees than the standard ones listed.
  3. ^ Varies significantly.
  4. ^ Standard lengths. Golfers may have different shaft lengths to suit their game.

Username 1 (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is almost certainly invalid, since hybrids vary so much, with many simply being differentiated by loft angle rather than club number. Given your edits, I note that you associate the hybrid more with irons, or iron replacements, but in fact they are more like a separate type of club altogether, hence my earlier reversion of your move of the hybrid (golf) article. A great number of modern hybrids have more in common with fairway woods. wjematherbigissue 10:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lie angles?

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Who wrote those lie angles? The modern ones seem to be at least 1º upright to me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryce bubbles (talk • contribs) 08:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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