Talk:Irish people in Jamaica

Irish Slaves in Jamaica

Most of the Irish who came to Jamaica were slaves, and under extremely brutal conditions. Most Irish slaves, or their decendents, eventually married in with African Slaves or their decendents and so Jamaica is to some degree an Afro-Irish fusion culture, although the African influence is significantly larger overall than the Irish influence. Still the Jamaican accent is influenced by the Irish accent, and also certain Jamaican patois words like "ting" trace straight back to 17th century Ireland.

Many Jamaican towns have Irish names for this reason, and many modern day Jamaicans have Irish surnames or first names because of the historical coming together of West African and Irish peoples.

64.134.222.30 (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Here is an informative article on the brutal conditions for Irish slaves in Jamaica, http://www.historyjournal.ie/irish-slavery/57-irish-slavery-topics/113-irish-slaves-in-jamaica.html.

64.134.222.30 (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

And here is a another source, "'One Love' The Black Irish of Jamaica." The Jamaica Journal, 42, pp. 104–116.

Most Jamaicans today simply identify as "Jamaican" and the majority also identify as "African", but there have always been a significant minority of Jamaicans, including a number of famous Jamaicans, who also identify as "Irish", many in combination with identifying as "African".

The most prominent among these "Irish and African self-identifiers" was the Black Jamaican leader Marcus Garvey.

64.134.222.30 (talk) 23:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

References

Removal of slavery references

I have removed these references because the sources cited - where sources were actually cited ... - were dubious in the extreme. This is far too serious a subject to be treated so abysmally. Fergananim (talk) 09:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

No. You removed those references because they violate your shallow interpretation of history, not because there aren't excellent sources. IF you actually felt this was undersourced why not look for sources instead of trying to sweep this under the rug?

Pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.160.132 (talk) 04:44, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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Discussing an agreed terminology of slave versus servant

It is best to open a discussion on the ongoing sources and research in this area as it is predominantly a terminology problem that causes issues about Irish and African forced labour in the Americas. The subject is complex and therefore cannot be dealt with in Edit descriptions only, although some compromise position can be hammered out. I will try to lay out some facts as i see them about what terms were used then, and what they meant in relation to the very important cut off at the time of the Barbados slave code. It is important to define modern and archaic meanings of the words, as well as the social conditions at the time. So far, it seems likely that Irish were both slaves and servants by modern definitions of those words, as were Africans until the codification of chattel slavery in 1661 . Perhaps descriptions should be divided into a pre and post 1661 scenario. Anyhow this may get the ball rolling. Kodai (talk) 22:53, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Bob Marley?

The claim that Marley was of Irish heritage is unsourced and my own Googling has turned up nothing in support of it. The only nation I can find to be involved in his white ancestry is England. Does anyone have a source for the Irish claim or should Marley be removed from the list?--109.78.108.177 (talk) 05:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)