Talk:Ipswich Street line

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that streetcars on the Ipswich Street line ran on both Boylston Street and Boylston Street? Source: "New Electric Car Routes". Boston Globe. July 30, 1900. p. 12 – via Newspapers.com.

• Reviewed: Constance Sladen

Created by Pi.1415926535 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC).

• Article is definitely new enough at the time it was nominated, long enough and well-sourced. I like the hook: it made me read, which I think any good hook should do. QPQ is done with that article having been promoted. I think this is good to go. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 03:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I cannot find the hook fact in the article. I would have expected to see something spelling it out, like Boylston Street (Massachusetts Route 9). Yoninah (talk) 11:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: The second sentence of the third paragraph under History reads The full route opened around the end of the month; streetcars ran from the Cypress Street carhouse on existing tracks on Cypress Street and Boylston Street, on new tracks northeast on Brookline Avenue and east on Boylston Street and Ipswich Street, then east on existing tracks on Boylston Street to the subway. I added a pair of wikilinks to clarify which Boylston Street is which, but I can't see how that doesn't qualify as having the hook fact in the article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks, now I see where you're mentioning it, and I also see what's written in the Boston Globe article. But how do you know that the first Boylston Street is Massachusetts Route 9 instead of another direction on Boylston Street? I'm not trying to be difficult here, just trying to understand where you're seeing this in the source given. Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: It's clear from the geography. The Boylston Street that's now Route 9 was the only route between Cypress Street and Brookline Village; the Boylston Street in Fenway-Kenmore and the Back Bay ends at Brookline Avenue a mile away. I can add a map source, but I don't think it's necessary. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• No, that's fine. Restoring tick per Sky Harbor's review. Yoninah (talk) 20:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ipswich Street line/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 00:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• Is there a route map available? The route is hard to visualize for a non-Bostonian without a map.
  •  Done It's not pretty, but I created File:Ipswich Street line on 1921 map.svg and added it to the article.

Lead

• "Service initially ran between Park Street station and Cypress Street Carhouse; service was extended to Chestnut Hill later in 1900. The east end of the route was cut back to Massachusetts station in 1925. The next year, the Ipswich Street line and the Huntington Avenue line swapped western terminals, with Ipswich Street service again running to Cypress Street" - It looks like Cypress Street is on the west, and Park street on the east, but it's unclear which direction Chestnut Hill is.
  •  Done Reworded it.

Streetcar line

• Link Brookline, Massachusetts
  •  Done
• "Objections were raised over the portion through the Fens parkland: the tracks would impede public access to the recently landscaped park, and the arch bridge over the Muddy River was in poor condition" - The source does say that they needed a waiver to put tracks across parkland, but I'm not finding where the Muddy River bridge is mentioned. The only mention of a problem bridge is the bridge over the Mystic being too small. Which section of the article is it in?
  •  Done Added the missing source.
• "In October or November, the line was extended west on Boylston Street from Cypress Street to Chestnut Hill Avenue on September 29, 1900, and to the Newton line at Chestnut Hill on November 19" - I find this rather confusing. I'm not sure what "In October or November" is referring to.
  •  Done Removed the excess words.

Bus routes

• So BERy also ran buses? I'd gotten the impression that BERy just ran railed stuff (probably from the name)
  • Yep. Buses after 1922, and trolleybuses after 1936.

References

• We need page numbers for Belcher for verifiability. 380 pages is too much to look through.
  •  Done
• Same with Humphrey, it's over 200 pages.
  • Already done with {{rp}} in the prose.
• And the 94-page Better Bus Project Route Proposals. The Route 60 and 65 PDFS are about 12 pages, so it's not near as bad.
  •  Done

General comment

• Okay, so this is more applicable to the most stable parts of the line. I get this would be overkill for the parts where it changed every year or so, but for where the line was stable, such as from 1900 to 1925, as a reader, I find myself wondering "How long is this?" It's really hard to judge route length without a map or any figures.
  • As above, I've added the map. Unfortunately none of the sources specify length.

Placing on hold. Hog Farm _Bacon 03:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)