Talk:Interstella 5555: The 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem

Vietnam

• Ok, let's get this issue straight and correct right now. There is no hidden track. Just because something is distributed on a P2P network as a secret song doesn't mean the song is actually a secret song or even related to the artist at all. The "hidden bonus" on Interstella 5555 is NOT a secret song. It's a 30 second display of early concepts and drawings of the characters in Interstella 5555. In other words, Vietnam is not even a song from Daft Punk but a lot of P2P networks are assuming that's it's from Daft Punk (which is wrong). Just wanted to get this point across. Douglasr007 02:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Vietnam isn't from Interstella 5555, but it is a hidden track from Discovery, how it's accessed is beyond me, but i'm certain that the DVD has nothing to do with the song, just the CD

Alien race from prior Matsumoto work?

I've read somewhere that the blue-skinned alien race of which the "Crescendolls" are members was used in some prior Matsumoto work, but I don't see anything about it in the writeup. Anyone able to fill that in? --Robotech_Master 20:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It was filled in. They're supposed to be reminiscent of Space Cruiser Yamato's Gamilion's.

Bold text==Robert Plant== "A little boy strongly reminiscent of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart appeared as one of the previous victims of Darkwood. Other aliens seem to be reminiscent of popular musicians such as Miles Davis, Ella Fitzgerald, Robert Plant, and Janis Joplin, and all have deaths covered up with alcohol, depression, and other reasons."

Robert Plant isn't dead.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.204.219.82 (talk • contribs)

Well, who cares anyway if now whole this section is gone thanks to some purists :-( Netrat_msk (talk) 00:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the guy who isnt dead might care --SelfQ (talk) 02:18, 29 February 2008

--82.2.25.207 (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2013 (UTC) (UTC)

Indeed, Robert Plant's still alive. ^Draconian_Lord(talk)14:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

I have been noticing for a while that two different plot outlines are being constructed in this article. We have a description of the entire plot and we have the decription of each music video segment. I'm kind of iffy of keeping both at how they are now. Do we need to explain the entire plot in full detail? The song segment section seems to be a condensed version of the plot and works fine. I reverted back the big description of the entire plot that just recently got deleted just so I can see what the userbase thinks of the plot.

I'm sure some things from the entire description of the plot can be merged into the song segment portion. Does this sound like a good idea? Douglasr007 01:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

No, there's no reason to go into anywhere near that much detail about the plot, so I'll go ahead and take it out. The part broken down into the different songs is OK as far as length/detail goes, except it probably shouldn't have the lyrics in there and it leans too much towards interpretation instead of summary. Recury 00:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen the film, and would like to know the basic plot. The current method of plot outline gives me only the most vague and nebulous idea of the plot.Pygmypony 14:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it's lousy. I plan to add an trimmed version of the long plot section shown in older edits. Just64helpin 17:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the idea of having short description of the plot and detailed description of every song was actually a good idea. The film is based of Discovery album, and Discovery album is a collection of separate tracks, not a continious piece like some symphony.

Also, consider the fact that first four songs were released and aired as separate music videos. There might be readers looking for plot of a particulr music video. They would benefit from separate sections.

Next, please note that One More Time, Aerodynamic, Digital Love and Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger are published as singles, and each has its own Wikipedia article. Articles feature tracklistings, chart positions, covers, release dates, credits etc. I guess everyone would agree that an article on music single should describe or at least mention its music video. With separate sections in Interstella article, articles on singles would be able to link directly the the description of the corresponding section. Without separate sections, linking is not so handy.

Finally, I'm strongly agaist deleting any meaningful information. Someone had spent their precious time on describing the plot, choosing the right words, ajusting them to Wikipedia format and standards... I believe this was done for a reason. Deleting someone's else input is so easy we usually don't realize how much effort and goodwill have been put into it. You know, I'd rather have an excessive article than a stub.

Thus, I propose restoring separate sections with detailed descriptions. Netrat_msk (talk) 00:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I've seen in other articles about musicals that the title of the song is mentioned in parentasees throught the plot description, e.g. RENT. I've found that is the best way to remove the redundancy of the article. --w^{L<speak·check>} 02:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

This is something I cannot agree with. I remember reading the article when it had separate sections for each song, and it was much more useful. Now you only see the name of the song after yu have read the description of what happens during this song. This is misleading. Netrat_msk (talk) 00:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, the longer version of the plot section glaringly went against Wikipedia guidelines and policy. I distinctly recall portions with large segments of copyvio lyrics, interpretation and so on. Wikipedia is not a guide, and it is not a place for editors to place their own opinions or intepretation on the subject (see WP:NOR). Please see here for detailed guidelines relating to film articles. Your suggestion relating to music videos does give me a idea, though: A few of the Daft Punk-related articles about singles have detailed descriptions of music videos, in their own sections. It may make sense to expand on those existing sections, since readers looking for information on the videos will look in the song articles first. The music video sections would then contain a wikilink that points back to the Interstella 5555 article for an overall plot context, without excess detail. Just64helpin (talk) 02:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, so what about restoring separate sections with broader descriptions, but without extended lyrics quotations, speculations or interpretations? Could you please do this? As for extending articles on corresponding singles, I'm ready to help you with this. I guess such extended descriptions can be found in previous versions of Interstella article (actually sections I'm tring to restore). Netrat_msk (talk) 11:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, maybe separate sections is excessive, but separate paragraphs plus internal anchors (for linking) is something that needs to be done. Currently, some songs are described in separate paragraphs, and other paragraphs describe two or three songs. This makes article harder to read. Any objections? Netrat_msk (talk) 11:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess that depends on what you mean by "link anchors". We really should focus on maintaining a plot overview, rather than a description of where each song begins and ends. The Discovery album may not be one continuous piece, but the film is certainly more than just a collection of music videos. Just64helpin (talk) 12:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Stating where each song starts and stops is very important, since these are turning points of the plot. Moreover, the extreme binding of the plot to album's songs is what makes this movie different from other animated films. By link anchors I mean markers that would allow to link to a certant line oа our article. Netrat_msk (talk) 17:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

You mean like markers like this? (EDIT: Unwikied example: [[:q:Bill Clinton#meaning-of-is|this]] links to <span id="meaning-of-is"/>) I wouldn't see a problem with that, as long as we aren't detailing every second of the film. Just64helpin (talk) 18:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Right. Netrat_msk (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Going back to what Netrat was talking about, could we please separate the songs into their own sub-sections? It would make it far easier. They don't have to have deep lyrical analysis, just a basic summary of the music video, with the name at the beginning. Actually, it's fine for each song to have its own paragraph, too. As long as its name is at the beginning. In Italics. It would be nice. --I reject your reality, and substitute my own. 03:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WalkingFiasco (talk • contribs)

Image:Cresend5555.jpg

Just letting you know that because the image of the band below the infobox was to be deleted on July 21 because of a lack of fair use rationale, I added a fair use rationale. That should cover things there. And by the way, if any screenshots of this movie are needed, just leave a message on my talk page. Blademaster313 03:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The Earl of Darkwood

The plot synopsis, as well as the character profiles are well done. However, certain characters (such as the main villain) are excluded from description. I believe it would be worth the extra effort of including a few more character profiles. For example, the image of the Earl of Darkwood... he always appears dressed to impress, but what of the mystic conqueror we see further into the film? It might be bold to suggest expanding the available information on every main character in the film. This type of generalization gives the user the leisure of being able to find out specific information(assuming they are); coming to Wikipedia to find it rather than discover unreliable material elsewhere. Post me back, and I'd be glad to help fill in the blanks on the characters lacking in detail.

--Sir Tyler Cole 07:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The film contains no dialogue, so it would be a bit difficult to further discuss characters without slipping into OR. Just64helpin 10:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I was reading comments on YouTube and they brought up a different interpretation of the story that I think has validity. The old guy is the Earl of Darkwood's son! If you watch Veridis Quo, a comet hits Darkwood Manor apparently killing the Earl and his wife (they're holding hands next to where the comet hit). Their son is distraught, drops the Earl's hat, hangs his head, and the camera zooms in on the kid's eyes. Then we see the close up of the eyes age and turn into the current old guy. Plausible? 10:50, 5 September 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.3.50 (talk)

That's what I gathered as well. The father was killed so the son took his place. His motivations were probably caused by the trauma from the death of his father, an analysis that doesn't need to be included in the article. For the most part though the fact he's the son is somewhat trivial and a detailed summary of the plot isn't necessary. Still a good observation though if people haven't picked up on that already. Fox816 03:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

All that aside, wouldn't it be true to say that the (deceased) Earl of Darkwood's son is still the Earl of Darkwood?

Trivia section

Hello, on 17:37, 17 June 2007 Triva section was removed from Interstella 5555 article by Just64helpin.

I believe Trivia section was extremely interesting and valueable, and it should not be removed.

What were the reasons to delete the section?

I can see that some information migrated to Plot section, but other parts (especially identity of Mozart and other famous musicians) went nowhere, which is simply wrong. Netrat_msk (talk) 23:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:TRIVIA about trivia sections and WP:NOR about unsourced analysis. Just64helpin (talk) 23:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I have also left a message at User talk:Netrat msk. Just64helpin (talk) 00:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Shep?

I've watched the movie several times, but where does it say his name is shep? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.111.92.183 (talk) 02:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if he's ever named in the film, but "Shep" is the name given to him in Interstella 5555 merchanise. Just64helpin (talk) 02:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

All of the characters (except Shep and Earl) are named in "Crenscendolls" but I believe the DVD does list the characters names as Shep and Earl de Darkwood under the character bios section of the DVD. Douglasr007 (talk) 04:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Earl de Darkwood is mentioned in the film in the book the Crenscendolls are looking into after about 40 minutes. Shep is mentioned when you buy the merchanise (as told above) from Daft Punks website --SakJur (talk) 17:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Crecendolls instruments

Do the Instruments seen in their One More Time Music video designed after actual instruments, or were they just created for the video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadowgamer2012 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Manga Impact

Manga Impact: The World of Japanese Animation, 6 December 2010, ISBN 978-0714857411; pg 97:

In the middle of a pop concert, somewhere on a distant planet full of blue-skinned inhabitants, a masked commando force descends from a fleet of spaceships and captures the group on stage. The four members of the band are spirited away to Earth by means of an international wormhole, their memories altered and their identities changed, as each of them is implanted with a chip that controls their will. Under the control of the mysterious kidnappers, they become the Crescendolls, a new group who shoot up the charts to global super-stardom. In the meantime, out in space, a young alien on board a spaceship in the shape of an electric guitar is following hot on the trail of the band; it is he who helps them to recover their identities.
Interstella 5555 is a film made in 2003, with a soundtrack entirely composed by electro group Daft Punk and devised in collaboration with the legendary creator of Japan's most popular science-fiction cartoons, the artist Matsumoto Leiji. The film rests equally on the characters conceived by Matsumoto, a delightful compendium of his previous creations but with more modern and pronounced features, and on the direction assured by a team of artists that also includes Takenouchi Kazuhisa and veteran Nishio Daisuke, both of Toei Animation.
Without dialogue, but with Daft Punk's songs taken from the album Discovery to provide Matsumoto with the necessary inspiration, the film is a courage and successful mix of music and animation that recalls certain artistic experiments by Tezuka Osamu. In this spectacular setting, Matsumoto's reflective and steady universe is suddenly and unexpectedly imbued with the pop glamour of cult creations such as Macross.
M.A.R. [Mario A. Rumor]

--Gwern (contribs) 19:49 23 December 2011 (GMT)

Original idea from Paul McCartney and Isaac Asimov?

I've found this section in Isaac Asimov article:

"In December 1974, former Beatle Paul McCartney approached Asimov and asked him if he could write the screenplay for a science-fiction movie musical. McCartney had a vague idea for the plot and a small scrap of dialogue; he wished to make a film about a rock band whose members discover they are being impersonated by a group of extraterrestrials. The band and their impostors would likely be played by McCartney's group Wings, then at the height of their career. Intrigued by the idea, although he was not generally a fan of rock music, Asimov quickly produced a "treatment" or brief outline of the story. He adhered to McCartney's overall idea, producing a story he felt to be moving and dramatic. However, he did not make use of McCartney's brief scrap of dialogue, and probably as a consequence, McCartney rejected the story. The treatment now exists only in the Boston University archives."

I think it's a very interesting coincidence. (Yes, you may call it "original research", so i'm wrote here. ;) ) Axelock (talk) 20:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem

In the merch, including the cover art shown in the article, the actual subtitle is written consistently as "The 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem" with number 5s substituted for the letter S. Shouldn't the title of this article, and the intro, reflect this? -- PaulxSA (talk) 23:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

It might be better to indicate that in a "stylized as" clause (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks etc). AnonMoos (talk) 05:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

It's not just stylized. It's written that way in the film's billing block, meaning it's the actual official title, not just a logo stylization. MOS:TM is misapplied here, and the current title of this article is plainly factually incorrect. It must be moved back immediately. oknazevad (talk) 02:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Early Discovery movie concepts

On February 26, 2021, Todd Edwards, co-producer and vocals performer on Face to Face, gave an interview to a Twitch streamer named Poolsidemusic. In the interview he discussed some of his experiences with Daft Punk while working on Discovery and Random Access Memories. During the interview, he also gave some insight into Daft Punk's early ideas for a Discovery movie, such as it being live-action, and being about a group of oppressed robots rebelling against the machine of life.<rref>https://www.twitch.tv/videos/929658256</rref> The whole interview can be found at Poolsidemusic's Twitch channel and begins at 1:33:30 and I suggest watching the full interview for more context and info.

I was wondering if the information in the interview warrants being mentioned in this article or on the Discovery article, and if they do, can someone add them since I am inexperienced with article writing. VeridisQuo07 (talk) 09:14, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

From what I gathered in watching the video, the most relevant bits of info are that the duo wanted to blend science fiction with a look at the music industry, and that the "secret third Daft Punk member" Cédric Hervet was involved in conception. This is already in the article, so what's left would be the abandoned live-action concepts. I'm undecided if these are worth including, as they are quite far from what Interstella 5555 ended up being. jhsounds (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Upon a second look, I went ahead and added a little bit about the early concepts to the article. jhsounds (talk) 22:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Website

Propose edit for "official website" to be http://interstella5555.com the current "official website" appears to be an archive link of a very old version of the site on the wayback machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20030802/http://www.bacfilms.com/site/interstella/).

I propose that the wayback machine version should be linked as "archived version" and the current version of Interstella5555.com to be the link for the official website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aramude (talk • contribs) 22:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Oppose It looks like someone recently took this domain (July 20th) when doing a WHOIS. The current links are sufficient. – The Grid (talk) 23:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Use of 45

Some people are claiming based on the "forty five" here that the "proper" name of this is "Interstella 45". Is there anything to that and if not where is the forty five coming from?--174.99.238.22 (talk) 14:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

The claim is that the name is "four five", not forty five. This is based on the Japanese name, as noted in the lead section in the article. jhsounds (talk) 19:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)