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Exit list

Needs my work as well. --Mihsfbstadium 00:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Okay I put up the infobox. The exit list needs MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR OVERHAULING. Along with that an Interchange list will be required as I am not going to overload the infobox with those. --Mihsfbstadium 13:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the list to the best of my ability. Hopefully someone else will take over and upgrade it to Wiki standards; I don't know tables, but I did want to ensure that every exit was listed and listed correctly. --141.213.178.11 14:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I am currently working on a seperate page for the exit list. It is going to be quite long. What I will do though is replace the current exit list with a table for just the highway to highway interchanges like how I-96 is done. Once that is accomplished I will go onto the next interstate in michigan and work on a table for that. I was just suprised that I 75 had no exit list. --Mihsfbstadium 11:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
An Update for all you folks. I have created the page for the exit list. The page is complete when it comes to seperation of exits by counties. I have Cities/Townships done through Oakland county I believe. All of the exit numbers are up along with the road they serve. I do have one image that is broken. Its an UP County Highway image. That is the only so far that I have issues with. Once I get the cities up I will put the link up on the I-75 page. If you want to see it so far, it is now categorizied in the I-75 cateregory. In anycase thats how it is standing. --Mihsfbstadium 12:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Cool. But why is this on a new page? Content on the Interstate 75 in Michigan will be very sparse without the exit list. -- KelleyCook 21:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I figure that the I 75 will get longer over time and it seems the best time to get it done. I 96 has the exit list seperated as well but it does have the major junctions listed. I figure I do that once the new page is completed. --Mihsfbstadium 23:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit war over Northern terminus

The link at [1] shows photographic evidence, specifically [2], that I-75 ends before the toll plaza and is not carried over to the border on the International Bridge. Imzadi1979 (talk) 00:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

End signs are often placed in a convenient place rather than at the actual end. Here the issue is that the bridge is (I believe) not state-maintained, so MDOT wouldn't consider it part of I-75. On the other hand, FHWA says it's 395.54 miles in Michigan, but the last exit is 394, and Google Maps shows 394 miles to the toll plaza and 395 to the border. --NE2 05:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
In addition, [3] shows that it ends at the border; it appears that 75.47 is correct. --NE2 09:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Even it we use FHWA over MDOT on this, he can not be correct. Highway 17 in Sault Ste. Marie, ON does not connect anywhere near the bridge plaza. Highway 17B is the spur route connector through downtown on the Canadian side of the bridge. Also, unless FHWA granted a waiver for the bridge, it can not be part of the Interstate System. The bridge is only two lanes. Absent such a waiver, I find FHWA as a asoirce here to be contradictory and default to MDOT. Imzadi1979 (talk) 13:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I-81 has a two-lane bridge at the border too. Presumably they were grandfathered in, like the low-clearance part of I-278 on the Grand Central Parkway and I-70 through Breezewood. --NE2 16:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Missing mileposts on Exit List?

The Exit List seems to have a milepost indication at every exit, but the notice says, "This section contains a table that is missing mileposts for one or more junctions." What more needs to be done? --Thomprod (talk) 18:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

'twas left by a banned user who didn't understand that most states DOTs don't operate like California. -- KelleyCook (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I was going to remove that column but found you had beat me to it. Cheers. --Thomprod (talk) 22:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, using the MDOT Control Section atlas, it is possible to milepost the exits to the hundredth or thousandth of a mile, which is how other articles are done. Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Mileposts are a Legal definition per county in California, which Michigan doesn't use. If you wish to use the miles from the southern/western border it is on the otherhand is impossible to compute to the thousands of a mile from the sources. Why? Which point are you using: Northbound or Southbound. Are you taking the mean between them? Or are you choosing the point where the bridge crosses over? If so how about twin spans? What about intersections that have an extended local lane (I-94 @ metro airport) serving two or three un-numbered intersections? How about the really goofy intersections around Detroit which aren't close to symetrical (The Lodge/Telegraph/696 intersection or 275/696/M-5)
Regardless since you would now be making an unsourced decision which to use and those numbers are not readily available, that computataion now falls under WP:No Original Research. Therefore, it quite simply can't go into a Michigan highway article. -- KelleyCook (talk) 17:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Funny, how I can do that with articles like M-22 (Michigan highway) based off the Control Section atlas, which gives MDOT's distances to the intersections. I can't say how MDOT determines their measurements on divided highways, but nonetheless, they do it. Simple addition isn't OR, so yes, mileposting information can go in a Michigan highway article. It doesn't have to be the same sort of system like California's post miles. Imzadi1979 (talk) 20:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Michigan Turnpike

For those that don't know, the Michigan Turnpike would have been a toll road from the Detroit area north to the Mackinac Bridge with a connection to the Ohio Turnpike in the Toledo area. The following sources will be useful in researching and adding information about the MT/MTA to this article. Please add an additions you find so that when the history of I-75 is revised, an appropriate addition on the Michigan Turnpike can be added. (It may be possible to spin out an entire article on the MT/MTA as well.) Imzadi 1979 → 23:41, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

  • "Turnpike Facts Given Kiwanis At Meet Today". Ironwood Daily Globe. August 23, 1955. p. 11.
  • Kaufman, Al (May 3, 1953). "OK Certain for Michigan Turnpike Bill". The Milwaukee Sentinel. p. A8.
  • Michigan Turnpike Authority (1955). Michigan turnpike review, July 1, 1955. Ann Arbor: Michigan Turnpike Authority. OCLC 23314960.
  • Coverdale and Colpitts (1955). Report on estimated traffic and earnings of the proposed Michigan Turnpike, project no.1, North-South Turnpike (Report). New York: Michigan Turnpike Authority. OCLC 35260166.
  • Bagley, Les (October 25, 2007). "Autos Across Mackinac: Michigan Decides Against Building Turnpikes". The St. Ignace News.
  • Staff (March 1, 2010). Section 394 Report: Analysis of Transportation Funding Distribution Formula (PDF) (Report). Michigan Department of Transportation. p. 12.
  • "Michigan Turnpike Law Upheld". The Milwaukee Sentinel. December 2, 1955. p. B2.
  • "Michigan To Push Its North–South Turnpike: Toll Road To Link Centers of Industrial Areas". Youngstown Vindicator. February 21, 1955. p. 2.

I made a change to simplify a link, as per WP:SPECIFICLINK, and it got reverted. I don't want to make another change contrary to the wishes of the editors working on this article, but I thought I'd draw your attention to the issue. --Doradus (talk) 23:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not a big deal. Before your edit, it was linking to both Upper Peninsula of Michigan and Michigan, which are both specific links relevant to the article. WP:SPECIFICLINK refers to nonspecific links like peninsula when it should be linking to UP of Michigan instead. I wouldn't lose sleep over this, though. Thanks. –Fredddie™ 23:40, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Fredddie is thinking the same way that I am. Imzadi 1979 → 00:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. --Doradus (talk) 13:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

exit 47B (etc.) -- check on being required to proceed to Canada

I drove I-75 northbound in this area earlier this year and noticed an exit which said no re-entry to U.S.; presumably traffic using that exit would have had to proceed to the Ambassador Bridge into Canada. Notice that I was NORTHBOUND. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Exit 51A

I notice on old maps that there used to be a northbound exit to John R. in downtown Detroit. If anyone, @Imzadi1979: or otherwise, has access to better sources confirming when this ramp was added/removed, that'd be great. I'm guessing it was added in 1968 when that stretch of freeway was built, and it's still shown on the 2003 map despite 1990s aerials not showing it. The MDOT maps aren't detailed enough to show any ramps there. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Tagging for WikiProject Michigan

@Imzadi1979: I tried to tag this article for WikiProject Michigan but was reverted with the rationale "the USRD TF is a TF of the other project too". I'm just not seeing that relationship, specifically:

Therefore, would it be correct to assume that there are some things that are not working as intended and require fixing? Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 17:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Michigan doesn't directly tag highway articles as that project has not had a direct role in the maintenance or development of the articles and hasn't in many years. The now-task force has been considered a sub-unit of both projects for all of those years. The Michigan project links to the Michigan State Highways TF in various places, and that's been the extent of the linkage deemed necessary now for many years. Imzadi 1979 → 22:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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"North–south or "south-north"? Suggestion

I reversed "north-south" to "south-north" in the lead to be consistent with the terminus cities mentioned (Miami and Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan). Given that the route is described as "north–south " in the main Interstate 75 article, it may be better to leave it as "north–south" in this article as well and reverse the two cities instead. Thoughts?--Thomprod (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I think that you're reading it too literally. The vernacular expression in English is "north–south" and never "south–north". (Likewise, I never see it "west–east", always "east–west".) The entire article is written from south to north, as is the parent article, to follow the direction of the mileposts, but even so, the highway would be described as "north–south". In short, it was fine as it was. Imzadi 1979 → 22:22, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree with you and have no problem with using "north-south", but I do think the cities should then be reversed so that Sault Ste. Marie is named first and Miami second.--Thomprod (talk) 22:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
I disagree; the next sentence describes the in-state progression from the southern border north to Sault Ste. Marie, so if you flipped the cities in the first sentence to north then south, then in the next sentence you'd be running the reverse direction. It's fine as is, and again, I think you're reading things too literally. Imzadi 1979 → 23:17, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
If this was really a big issue, I think it would have been addressed at FAC. –Fredddie™ 23:31, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Since the "north–south" was literally just added the other day, we could just removed it to go back to the status quo ante and match the version that passed the FAC? Imzadi 1979 → 23:39, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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