Talk:International Fleetstar
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"International" brand
[edit]Trucks built by "International Harvester Company" (and "Navistar") are branded "International". This is true from at least 1914, the name may have been in use by 1908. "A History of International Trucks (PDF copy of this article)". International Harvester Company, Chicago, Illinois. April 25, 1961. Retrieved September 19, 2017. explains the brand name in the first paragraph of the second page. Seventy-five years of "International Harvester Company" brochures for "International" trucks are here: [1]
There is a discussion about all International/International Harvester brands at " "Are International Harvester trucks branded "International"?. Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 15:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
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In the real world these trucks are brand named "International Fleetstar" without the word "Harvester"
[edit]The International Harvester Company manufactured and sold these trucks as "International® Fleetstar" in 1962 and "International Fleetstar®" in 1972.
International Harvester Co. has told the public that they have sold trucks under the "International" name since 1914 in 1947 (p. 2), 1961 (p. 2), and 1976 (pp. 14-15, 18-26). An editor might think that one of the world's largest truck manufacturers would know the registered trademark brand name that they sell those trucks under. International Harvester Co. should at the very least be a source for WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Probably WP:COMMONNAME too, most automobile and truck articles use the vehicle's official name.
This box has published sources for the WP:COMMONNAME being "International":
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Burness, Tad (1985). American Truck & Bus Spotter's Guide 1920-1985. Motorbooks International. pp. 215–250. ISBN 0-87938-198-1. has "IHC Chicago" under the section title. Page 226 and 229 label the hood ornament logos as "IH". Everything else is "International", "International Trucks", or "International Motor trucks". This only sources the general use of the name "International".
Crismon, Fred W. (2001). International Trucks: 100 Years 1907-2007. Crestline. ISBN 978-0970056726. Davies, Peter J. (2000). The World Encyclopedia of Trucks. Lorenz Books. pp. 401–403. ISBN 0-7548-0518-2. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International". Foster, Patrick (2015). International Harvester Trucks, The Complete History. Motorbooks. pp. 114, 128, 154–155. ISBN 978-0-7603-4860-4. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International". Mroz, Albert (1996). The Illustrated Encyclopedia of American Trucks and Commercial Vehicles. Krause. pp. 206–212. ISBN 0-87341368-7. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International". Wood, Donald F. (1998). American Buses. MBI Publishing. pp. 23, 41, 42, 58, 65, 77, 96, 101, 116, 123, 127, 130. ISBN 0-7603-0432-7. uses "International" or "International chassis". This only sources the general use of the name "International". Motor's Truck and Diesel Repair Manual (26 ed.). Motor. 1973. ISBN 0-910992-16-9. index has "International" (915-953) and "International Diesel Engines" (1224-1249). The word "Harvester is never used in the index or either section. Page 9167-917 has specifications for 1964-1972 Fleetstars. |
Here is a simple search: This link[2] is to a run-of-the mill commercial truck sales site. There are plenty of them, choose any that sells used trucks. Search "Select a make" for "International". What do professionals who buy and sell trucks call them?
Look at the ugly yellow image. Look above the grille. Do you see the word "International"? Do you see the word "Harvester"?
This article was created with a made-up (probably accidently) name with no source. As of today there is still no WP:RELIABLE source for the word "Harvester" in the name.
Right now Wikipedia is saying that "International Harvester Fleetstar" is both the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAMES for these trucks when WP:RELIABLE show that neither is true. A Wikipedia-specific made-up name is presented as a common fact.
Some editors (@Amakuru, BarnCas, DanTD, Steve Lux, Jr., and SteveCof00:) do not believe that the sources above are WP:RELIABLE for WP:COMMONNAME and/or WP:OFFICIALNAMES and have opposed any name-changes. All have been shown most of these sources.
"Harvester" it is. Sammy D III (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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