Talk:International Fellowship of Christians and Jews

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Rabbi Eckstein

Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein pulled down more than $1 million in 2007 as the president and CEO of this "charity". Given the relatively small size of the organization, do people really think that is appropriate? That was my question. How many boxes of food could have gone out the the poor in Russia? If I contribute 50.00 a month how much of that really goes to the people? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.33.36.163 (talk) 17:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not the salary is appropriate is not a subject for debate here on Wikipedia. The reason is explained in the "What Wikipedia is Not" policy with regards to forums. That said, feel free to post objective information from reliable sources, such as charity watchdogs (e.g. the IFCJ's page on CharityNavigator.org). If it is featured on a watchdog's a "worst charities" page, that could certainly be appropriate under a "criticism" section. Cheers. MJKazin (talk) 23:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yechiel Eckstein died in February 2019, and the TV commercials have been shown more aggressively since then, without mentioning his death. Since he and his wife are the only IFCJ shown in the commercials, ever, his death would seem a significant factor in the future work of the IFCJ. Sussmanbern (talk) 00:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Evangelicals and Catholics

The article should maybe explain if the group of Christians is not in fact a mainly Evangelical group. While Evangelicals are often strong supporters of Israel (and of Zionism), Catholics have been known to be more neutral, and sometimes pro-Palestinian, since many Catholic leaders in the region are themselves Palestinian. ADM (talk) 15:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scapegoating technique

The fellowship uses a very obvious scapegoating technique, mostly towards Islam and Muslims. Can anybody tell me how to cite infomercals? Zakariya bin Dana (talk) 12:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV check

The wording in this entry borders on advertising and the "programs" section is entirely unsourced. I welcome other editors to comment. Wperdue (talk) 17:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, this article needs a lot of work. As a quick example: the "vision" sentence is almost verbatim the one on the organization's website but not properly presented as a quotation. If any knowledgeable editor is interested in looking into this article, please take a look back in the history. In my opinion it seems that edits made on 20 November 2008 by user "Ifcj25" (and their IP address, used prior to account creation/login) may have been an attempt by a member of the subject organization to rewrite its own article. I'm going to sit it out because I'm rather biased against the subject. Good luck. MJKazin (talk) 23:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like I'm reading from the organization's website. I mean "inspired by a God-given vision"? Fuckin seriously? An encyclopedia entry is giving, as fact, that the founder of this organization was inspired by a supernatural vision from God? That's insane, and this entry, quite obviously drafted by supporters of the organization or the IFCJ itself, is a fuckin joke.

¶The 2018 TV commercial claimed that the Fellowship was providing food and other necessities to "Holocaust survivors" -- but dropped a mention that its activities were in Ukraine, which saw much combat but relatively little concentration camp activity; the very elderly people shown are undoubtedly poor but there seems to be no visual evidence of anyone other than the founder and his wife distributing the largess, also no visual signs of the recipients being Jewish - no mezuzahs on the doorways, no menorahs, no Shabbos candlesticks, etc. The 2019 commercial purports to show distributing food and necessities to the poor in Israel, but images include humanitarian activities of other organizations such as the Israeli Army. The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, carried a sort of grudging article about the IFCJ:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/he-raises-millions-for-israels-poor-and-dont-you-forget-it-1.5460963 . Sussmanbern (talk) 03:21, 26 March 2019 (UTC) Rabbi Eckstein died in February 2019 (as mentioned in the Wiki article on him), yet the commercials have only become more numerous without mentioning that he is no longer participating in whatever activities the IFCJ is still doing. Sussmanbern (talk) 00:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is still an issue. CharityNavigator has no rating for the "impact and results" of this charity. The effectiveness of a charity ought to matter. I get regular mail from Yael stating that widows of the Shoah will go hungry if I don't give money, because the government of Israel does not properly care for it's elderly and poor. That kind of slander/defamation against a government from someone who lives there demands an answer. I have never heard from anyone else that the goverment of Israel is negligent toward the elderly and poor of its owm. CharityNavigator is a fraud as far as I am concerned because they ignore the statements made in writing by this charity. MinistryWatch has had them on a list for dishonest conduct including lying about where and who gets help since 2014. https://ministrywatch.com/international-fellowship-of-christians-and-jews-taps-evangelicals-for-support/ 2600:1700:B9C1:20C0:5D74:C02:E92D:CEC9 (talk) 01:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits by FellowshipCam

The username in and of itself suggests a serious COI issue, the edits also suggest that this is IFCJ/someone in IFCJ on the one hand improving the article which is nice on the other hand the article is now reads like an advertisement/publicity leaflet for the IFCJ, other details that were less positive about IFCJ have disappeared from the article even though they were well sourced.

I am very tempted to revert to the article before FellowshipCam touched it, for now I am just going to add my little contribution back in and then if I have the time read the rest of the article.

--Keeper of the Keys (talk) 22:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicts of interest do not prohibit editing the articles in question; however, they require caution on the part of the editors to keep the article neutral. To the extent that the article is improved, Cam's edits are useful. However, the edits are problematic if they removed non-flattering but well-sourced information, or if they so severely slanted the article as to push it out of neutral point of view and/or into the realm of advertising text.

Since the Controversy section appears to be properly sourced, I agree with its return to the article. I do not think a mass revert is necessary on the article, but I do agree that some sections should be massaged back into a more neutral form. —C.Fred (talk) 23:12, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I added a "third-party" maintenance tag to this article as it seems that most of the sources are either from its own website (about a third) or from websites which have a connection with the charity. I have added some references to more independent sources but this is difficult. The controversy section needs expanding too. Uamaol (talk) 04:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deprecated logo

File:International Fellowship of Christians and Jews Logo, Dec 2020.jpg

Since a new version of the logo is available, the old one will be deleted in seven days, barring some reason to retain it. Note that we would need to have discussion about the logo itself to keep it in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 17:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of IFCJ

Anonymous user 2600:6C5A:67F:ED90:9D73:2376:9E9F:3621 continues to add the notable tag to this page when it clearly meets the guideline

According to WP:Notability (organizations and companies) an organization is notable if it has "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

This month alone, IFCJ has received press coverage in The Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/fleeing-a-war-yet-again-9-holocaust-survivors-touch-down-in-israel-on-rescue-flight/ and J-Post https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-704658 radioredhead (talk) 15:57, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]