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We should probably change the name. The fact that Mohammad Deif is included in these warrants is good enough reason to remove "for Israeli figures". Maybe something like "Israel-Hamas war International Criminal Court arrest warrants" would work. Personisinsterest (talk) 21:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or do another one for Hamas figures. Selfstudier (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NO, it is the same issuance.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There have literally been more on this and it was posted before your unilateral move. Since it is NOT just israelis.

Undiscussed move

I reverted the page move, it needs an RM, I think. It is not obvious that the page is primarily about anything other than the two Israeli figures. The Hamas figure is almost an irrelevancy, more a case of going through the formalities. Selfstudier (talk) 11:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The coverage I've read (just a few articles, I haven't looked systematically) have focused overwhelmingly on the Israeli indictments, with the Hamas figures only mentioned in passing. All the headlines only mentioned the Israelis too.

And I suppose that makes sense, right - the Hamas leadership are all wanted on terrorism charges in dozens of countries already, so the warrants for them are of limited notability/interest. AntiDionysius (talk) 11:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On a broader and possibly more subjective note, I find the phrasing "...arrest warrants for Israeli figures" oddly grating. Is that just me? I'm not advocating any specific alternative, but it sounds awkward. Perhaps "Israeli leadership"? AntiDionysius (talk) 11:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The warrant issued BY the ICC involved all 3 figures. Making up stories is not WP is about.

Also see above.Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel strongly about this, you can open an RM but I can't see that the warrant for Dief is anything more than dotting i's and crossing t's. Lots of RS report their death even though Hamas has not explicitly confirmed it. Of course, should there suddenly be proof contrary, then we can revisit the matter.

I am not enamored of the Israeli figures thing but it was apparently based on International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Russian figures. Selfstudier (talk) 11:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, I see. AntiDionysius (talk) 12:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many might think that Deif is dead, but the fact remains that he is one out of the 3 figures for whom a arrest warrant was issued. Wikipedia shouldn't give a distorted impression of simple facts. Gugganij (talk) 22:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No one is advocating removing mention of Deif from the article, this is just a discussion about the title.

Do you also think all those news organisations whose articles I linked below who only focused on Netanyahu in their headlines were providing a "distorted impression of simple facts"? AntiDionysius (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but we follow the lead of secondary sources over primary ones, and the secondary sources are focusing very much on the indictment of Netanyahu and Gallant, particularly the former. A quick Goole News search of headlines just now:

AntiDionysius (talk) 12:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further Response from Hungary

Hungary's Orban says he will invite Netanyahu to Hungary after ICC move and centrally, promises not to arrest him. StativStakitKasket (talk) 09:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added stuff about orban already a few mins ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsnut24 (talk • contribs)

USA politicians

I took the liberty of adding R/D-XX for the individuals as is common in local reporting. Not sure if it is done here (although it is pertinent, IMO), but if not can just mention the list of R's and D's on it's own. Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]