Talk:Intermittent fasting/Archive 2

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 August 2021 and 14 December 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Ddotdalllas. Peer reviewers: Harpleigh.

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Clarification on the insulino-melatonergic antagonism

Hello @Zefr, thank you for your kind copyediting. I however notice that the sentence detailing the well established functional antagonism between melatonin and insulin has been removed, which I think makes the whole thing very confusing for the reader. I believe maybe the originally used citation may have been deemed inappropriate, as the edit's comment describes the results as being from primary research which they are not at this stage, so what would you think about using only this recent meta-analysis on humans? [1]

If yes, here is a possible reformulation of the sentence:

This effect is mediated by the antagonism between insulin and melatonin, both of which express receptors on pancreatic islets, with the genetic mutation MNTR1B in the type 1 melatonin receptor being a biomarker associated with increased risks of developing diabetes type 2.

There are other reviews documenting this antagonism in more details, but they are on animals.[2]

Thank you for reading --213.211.156.118 (talk) 05:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

References

I removed that section because the source itself states there are many weaknesses of the studies included in the meta-analysis, and the variant only might be a useful biomarker, i.e., this is too inconclusive for the encyclopedia. Zefr (talk) 06:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Zefr for detailing your reasons, you are correct. There have been more clinical trials since then, but they are not yet documented by new systematic reviews to my knowledge. Beyond this biomarker, the insulin and melatonin antagonism is however very well documented and established, so is there a chance this knowledge can be added? For the citation, I would suggest this other review which focuses more on molecular biology (hence a more mechanistic account) with some context about animal studies and human trials (see page 5): [3]. There are many other potential sources too, since the pathway was elucidated in the early 2010s [4][5], although more recent reviews of course provide a clearer picture (such as the involvement of melatonin receptors type 2). --213.211.156.118 (talk) 15:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

This is all too preliminary to address the effects of intermittent fasting on humans, a topic for which there is a paucity of good clinical research. We shouldn't be extrapolating the molecular mechanisms interpreted from animal or in vitro studies to those existing in humans. Wait for a solid WP:MEDRS review of well-designed clinical trials. Zefr (talk) 15:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok thank you @Zefr for your advices . Have a nice day. --213.211.156.118 (talk) 17:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Author-links

@Zefr: you reverted my addition of |author1-link=Krista Varady with the edit summary of Already listed among authors of sources. I found this edit summary unclear, because I was not adding an additional instance of the author, but rather the author-link parameter. WP:CITEMED does not prohibit the use of the author[n]-link parameter. I am thus trying to determine what your objection is. Is it:

• You do not wish to see author-link parameters at all

• Did you consider my addition of an author-link to one author to be a singling out of that author, since there are no other author-links on the page?

• Did you object to multiple author-links for Varady on the grounds of WP:OVERLINKING?

Peaceray (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Objectively, all the above. There are several sources for this person's research used in the article. Using the author link highlights the source for one person among a team, while the source content is the useful information for the encyclopedia. There is an article for Krista Varady. Zefr (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there is an article for Krista Varady. However, Wikipedia is based on Wikilinks, & it does no good to have orphan articles. I can accept your objections to the second & last points, but please cite the the policy & guidelines or portions of MOS MED that proscribe the use of author-link in any article that is covered by WikiProject Medicine. Peaceray (talk) 18:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

There's no policy for something like this. It's a matter of editor choice, for which you and I evidently disagree about the importance of that link in the source. Using the author link might be fine for one source, so if you wish to use it once, go ahead. Zefr (talk) 18:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

OK. If you wish, I could make add other author links for those authors who have articles & are not already wikilinked in the article. Peaceray (talk) 18:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Short description

We need a description of ~40 characters. How about "Practice of voluntary meal timing"?--Pakbelang (talk) 05:26, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

You set a stopwatch going at the start of meals? Alexbrn (talk) 05:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see the issue. How about "Dietary regime"? Pakbelang (talk) 07:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Religious fasting

Since this article is clearly about fasting for health reasons, why include a whole section on religious fasting? It would be understandable if a suggestion was made that religious fasts have a health component to them. This is not the case, is it? Yitz711 (talk) 10:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Bad math

Under 'Types' there is a claim that alternate-day fasting leads to fasting more days than not. "It is the strictest form of intermittent fasting because there are more days of fasting per week." If you start fasting on a monday you would have 4/3 ratio of fasting/feasting during week one, but 3/4 during week two. I removed that sentence. Mudthomas (talk) 06:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't it mean more than the other types of diet? Bon courage (talk) 06:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Contraindications

Needs a contraindications section. Intermittent fasting is not safe for everyone. Examples include (but are not limited to) people with eating disorders and people who are malnourished. 172.58.35.37 (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2023 (UTC)