Talk:Indoor soccer

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Indoor Soccer is known as Futbol Rápido (Fast Soccer) in México. Why fast? The main reason is that the ball leaves the pitch less often, which means that the game is indeed a lot faster than regular soccer. Also, because of reduced dimensions, the ball and the players must move around more quickly in order to defeat the defence. The ball itself is not faster, but the gameplay is --Threner 07:04, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So what you are saying is that there are less breaks that in regular football? And that players have to run faster? This should be reflected in the article in such a manner, as simple claims that it is "faster" are non-specific and hard to justify as being NPOV. Cheers, --Daveb 12:28, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, players do generally run faster in indoor soccer. I know that our team subs every 3 minutes, so while we're out there we're sprinting pretty much the entire time. Of course, I agree with you that "faster" is ambiguous; perhaps calling the pace of the game itself (rather than the individual players) would be more clear (as mentioned by Threner). A smaller pitch means you're forced to make quicker decisions (thus accelerating gameplay) and invariably results in more goals. Either way, it's a damn fun game. :) --Tristam 01:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the photograph illustrating the article indoor soccer is outdoors? I know it's basically an indoor soccer arena without the roof over it (same dimensions/rules/etc.), but it's still somehow amusing. --Delirium 03:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted the photo, and actually it cracks me up also. Indoor soccer was created as a response to winter in northern countries. However, it came up as a very fun to play sport. In sourthern countries, it makes no sense to go through the additional expense of building a roof (albeit going for the ball after someone kicked it really hard is a pain). Also, it is easy to get together 5 friends for a friendly or a tournament than getting 15 for a soccer game :D --Threner 18:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Versus cable television channel was formerly the Outdoor Life Network. Under that name, their primary shows were hockey (an indoor sport) and arena (i.e., indoor) football. WHPratt (talk) 14:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it’s a great illustration, for exactly that reason. It makes it clear that, though the name is “indoor,” it can be played on any conforming court, sheltered or not. —Wiki Wikardo 15:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Major Indoor Soccer League

I once again removed the CMISL from the proposed leagues section. I can find no evidence of such an organiztion. If such evidence exists, please place it on this page before adding the CMISL back. KitHutch 13:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the CMISL has been playing for 3 years, so I've added it. As of this year, they're affiliated with the PASL, but they're still a separate league with a separate championship as well. Greg Salter (talk) 22:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added the first comment way back 3 years ago before the league was launch with an official announcement. Obviously, since that time, they've made themselves known. KitHutch (talk) 02:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Brazil, indoor soccer is really the futsal called by FIFA, however Futebol Society is not indoor soccer at all. Futebol Society is played in a bigger field than indoor soccer and the ball is also bigger than indoor soccer but a bit smaller than outdoor field soccer. (Fabio Rodrigues, 05/01/2010). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.185.64.195 (talk) 05:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Six-a-side

As a Brit, I understand the term "six-a-side" to mean more or less five-a-side with an extra player on each team. In particular that means there are touchlines, throw-ins, corners etc., at least when played outdoors. What source suggests "six-a-side" means arena soccer? Hairy Dude (talk) 03:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hairy Dude’s perception does indeed appear to be reflective of UK usage and as such I am considering reredirecting six-a-side football to five-a-side. Most salient, non-North American codes tend to have sidelines, not dasher boards. —Wiki Wikardo 17:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Indoor soccer → Indoor football – current name is only ever used in American English Azylber (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Indoor football could refer to many sports, and not just hypothetically—in the US, at least, we play our football indoors sometimes. This name might not often be used in the UK, but it's unambiguous in any variety of English. Note that "soccer" is also commonly used in Canadian and Australian English, among others; see Names for association football. WP:RETAIN and WP:COMMONALITY apply. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose - I would agree with BDD but I am a bit biased considering I live in the US and have never been to the UK. --MicroX (talk) 19:20, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Indoor football refers to either outdoor soccer played in a dome stadium, gridiron football played in a dome stadium, soccer with walls, gridiron football with walls, etc. Indoor soccer refers to a variation of football/soccer played in a hockey style rink and mentioned in this article. KitHutch (talk) 20:57, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the term 'football' is too vague - association football (most of world), American football (US), Australian rules football (down under)... Giant Snowman 09:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Football is the word used in countries where football is actually popular. And I don't just mean English-speaking countries. In most countries where football is popular, they use either the English word football or a similar-sounding local word, such as futbol in Spanish and futebol in Portuguese/Brazilian. And of course in the UK, where this sport originates and is actually more popular than in places like America or Australia, it's called football. Americans use the word soccer because they have something else that they call football - American football, a sport where they run with the ball in their hands. I'm struggling to understand how that can be called football to begin with. And I'm also struggling to understand why that means that the fact that Americans call football a sport where they run with the ball in their hands means that the word football is somehow "taken" and can't be used to refer to proper football on Wikipedia Azylber (talk) 09:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that the word football is taken. Quite the opposite. Football is often too vague to be in a title without qualification. The main exception I can think of is disambiguators, but John Doe (footballer) is fine if we only have one article on a person named John Doe who plays some sort of football. You could propose a move to Indoor association football, though this would likely fail due to WP:COMMONNAME. --BDD (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I'm seeing no evidence that the indoor version of the game is more commonly referred to as "indoor football". It is true that the outdoor, 11-a-side version might be better referred to as "football", but I tend to hear "indoor soccer" more than "indoor football" in relation to this game. – PeeJay 12:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- But that's because you spent your formative years in Singapore, where people say soccer Azylber (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've spent more of my life in the UK than I ever did in Singapore – nice try. I'm still not seeing any evidence by the way. – Pee Jay 18:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - football most commonly refers to association football. Unreal7 (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Football" most commonly refers to what is properly known as "association football." However, "indoor football" does not commonly refer to "indoor soccer."KitHutch (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Football" most commonly refers to gridiron football. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:22, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per BDD. – Michael (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: This is awfully condescending: "current name is only ever used in American English". You then go on to mention other languages, as if those are important references but American English isn't. Why not rename the article "fast football" since that's what Mexico calls it? I don't see how this name change could cause anything but confusion. Simishag (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose WP:ENGVAR and Canadian English is not the same as American English, so your specification is wrong. Further, I don't see why you would use "indoor football" since that means Canadian Football or American Football in the modified indoor "arena" format. Also, "football" does not mean soccer, and soccer is clearly the more widely used term in the English-speaking world, being Australia, South Africa, Canada, USA, where "football" is the variant term, or isn't understood to be soccer (including Ireland, which has its own football, and NZ where it is rugby football that is understood) ; the article even states it is most popular in North America, so this is also a MOS:TIES issue. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This version of small-sided football is most commonly known as Indoor Soccer and is played most in the USA and Canada. Bobbymaestro (talk) 03:21, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Lacrosse

Obviously not the main focus of this article, but I don't find it to be true (as of 2019, at least) that outdoor lacrosse is all that much more popular in the U.S. than indoor lacrosse. Certainly this is not at all true at the professional level, where there are currently two competing indoor leagues, the "Major" and "Premier" leagues but only one outdoor league, the small and struggling National Lacrosse League. Yes, some of the teams in the MLL are in Canada, but far more are in the U.S. Amateur indoor lacrosse is less common in the U.S. than the outdoor version is, but the gap seems to be narrowing consistently. 2600:1004:B105:B200:CC8C:8FB7:21C8:1D8C (talk) 02:06, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Updating the Article

I have just recently added my own research to the article. In simple terms, I updated a few sections that were missing information including the main space, around the world, and rules. I also added two new sections under rules including goalkeeper and accumulated fouls. Finally I added three images to show the different surfaces indoor soccer is played on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbynlew (talk • contribs) 05:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Street Soccer

Street soccer is a game that young people who live in cities play, often in an unused alley. My father played it in a Glasgow suburb when he was growing up. He said that indoor soccer has at least one notable feature that is the same: You are allowed to pass by bouncing the ball off the alley wall. As I do not know this myself, I can't add it to the main article. P.S. After WWII my father went to Harvard on the G.I. Bill. He went to the football coach (American) and offered to kick field goals. the coach turned him down. This was way before soccer-style field goal kickers became "in". 143.43.144.97 (talk) 18:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]