Talk:Indian pariah dog

Why dogbox deletion was undone

Even though this is not a true "breed", we still use the dog breed box because it breeds true and is an important bloodline, landrace, or subspecies, or lineage of dog, and there's no better infobox for it. Chrisrus (talk)

[signed for archiving purposes only] William Harris • (talk) • 21:33, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Clean up and criticism

I attempted a bit of a clean up, I don't know if it is sufficient to remove the tags at the top.

If I have a general criticism to make of the article, it is based on the remarkable *lack* of sources to substantiate the topic.

Personally, it feels to me as if some individuals are trying to make more out of subject title than is supported by the references. That is to say, they have been pushing the idea of the dog as a breed. Even moreso relating to the nickname "INDog".

I'm also not sure about the watering down of the definition of "pariah".

Consequently, I'm also a little suspicious of the direction Pariah dog topic has been taken in, e.g. who are the "dog experts" they claim? The Wikipedian author themselves? --Wordfunk (talk) 03:59, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

As far as I can see, Handicrafts in the Indus Valley Civilization by Pathak does make any such specific references (and there are actually none to support the use of "INDog"). --Wordfunk (talk)

@Wordfunk:

I will try to answer your questions.

To answer your question about whether the fact that the term "INDog" is in expert use or not a term so used for it, I did a quick Google Scholar search and found two WP:RS papers, including Free-Ranging Dogs and Wildlife Conservation by Matthew E. Gompper, which so uses "Indog" at the end of the first paragraph on the top of page 204 it says "This could be done through the formation of "new" internationally recognized breeds of dogs from indigenous village dog populations, as is being done in India with the Indog."

This could also be used to cite the fact that there have been efforts to get it recognized as a breed.

Also, in the first paragraph of the "Land races" section on page 186, it says "In other cases these land races may just be local village dogs that happen to comport to a certain physical appearance (e.g., the Indog)."

Note, however, the capitalization in this source only the first letter. This is different from our article and the next WP:RS that I found, which capitalize the first three letters.

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Another result from Google Scholar is Free Ranging Dogs - Stray, Feral or Wild? By Guillaume de Lavigne, which uses the spelling "INDog":

The Indian Native Dog (INDog) is an ancien autochthonous (landrace) type of dog that is found all over India.....Since these dogs have never been selectively bred, their apprearance, physical features and mental characteristics are created by the process of natural selection alone.....The INDog has not been recognized by any kennel club although similarly ancient or "primative" dogs have been recognized such as the Azawakh and the Basenji both of which are also Sighthound and Pariah....The pariah group of dogs, including the INDog, breeds once a year".

Chrisrus (talk) 05:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Crapon de Caprona and Marie-Dominique article in Evolutionary Biology (2012)

The article "Extensive phenotypic diversity among South Chinese dogs." ISRN Evolutionary Biology 2013 (2012) Crapon de Caprona, Marie-Dominique, and Peter Savolainen can be used to improve this article, but I'm having a problem providing a direct link. Just Google it and it will let you download it for free.

It says that, while, on the one hand, in southern China, free-ranging dogs exhibit a wide range of physical formss. This is not true in Indian subcontinent, where they are very uniform and called "the Indian Pariah dog", and in Australia, where they are called "dingoes" and look quite the same.

Furthermore, they note that dingoes, INdogs, and New Guinea Singing dogs all share many spitz-like features including the colors, tails, size, and heads and ears. This led to the genetic testing to see how they were related compared to each other and to Chinese dogs.

So genetic testing showed that, no, despite what you might think by looking at the physical evidence, dingoes are descended from Chinese dogs, not ancestral INDogs. Chrisrus (talk) 05:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Expansion and revision

Information from unreliable sources were recently added to the article and the issue tags removed without explanation. I have removed the said sources and information but the page needs to be expanded and revised further. I am unsure about where to start. Any ideas? Achat1999 (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

I've done a good amount of work on this article and have supplanted some of the sources you removed with those that meet WP:RS. If you feel that another source is better, please add the {{citation needed}} tag to the sentence rather than outright removing it. When I see it, I will substitute the reference. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 18:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Achat1999, don't remove the constructive contributions of others or add a banner over the whole article when it is well referenced. You can add individual templates or section templates. Rather than removing sentences that are credible, find another source yourself. Harmanprtjhj (talk) 00:58, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for expanding the article and taking the time to add reliable sources. Look forward to working on this article with you. Achat1999 (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Image

The image of domesticated puppy added.Plz don't remove without discussion. @William Harris: Heba Aisha (talk) 12:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)