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@Jflm1012: regarding your note "Remove Orlando Terrorist from notable alumni per college officials" - "college officials" do not hold any special editorial authority for the English Wikipedia. Do you have reason to think this person is not actually notable or not actually an alumni? Outside of that, page content is up to community consensus - which can be discussed here. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:51, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from User talk:Xaosflux:

In thinking of notable alumni as alumni of distinction, this suggests positive contributions to society and the idea of holding a man who murdered 49 + innocent people in such high regard and giving him so much notoriety for that act is not only repulsive but premature as wikipedia's own policy on notability states that "Notable topics have attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time" and five days does not constitute this.Jflm1012 (talk) 21:09, 16 June 2016 (UTC)jflm1012[reply]

Additionally Mateen is NOT in good standing with Indian River State College for the above listed reasons. Jflm1012 (talk) 21:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)jflm1012[reply]

Thank you for your response, and that may be a better reason to remove it - adding in some editors that recently worked on this section: @Parsley Man:, @PaulinSaudi:. Not meeting notability requirements is a valid argument - because someone with a conflict of interest said so is not.

@Jflm1012: are you aware of any published statements that the college has revoked this subject's almnui status? That would be useful for their own article. — xaosflux ^Talk 22:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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ˈnōdəb(ə)l/ adjective adjective: notable

   1.
   worthy of attention or notice; remarkable.
   "the gardens are notable for their collection of magnolias and camellias"
   synonyms:	noteworthy, remarkable, outstanding, important, significant, momentous, memorable; More
   marked, striking, impressive;
   uncommon, unusual, special, exceptional, signal
   "notable examples of workmanship"
   prominent, important, well known, famous, affluential, famed, noted, distinguished, great, eminent, illustrious, respected, esteemed, renowned, celebrated, acclaimed, influential, prestigious, of note
   "a notable author"
   antonyms:	unremarkable, insignificant, obscure, unknown

noun noun: notable; plural noun: notables

   1.
   a famous or important person.
   "businessmen and local notables"
   synonyms:	celebrity, public figure, VIP, personage, notability, dignitary, worthy, luminary; More
   star, superstar, icon, name, big name;
   informalceleb, somebody, bigwig, big shot, big cheese, big fish, megastar, big kahuna, high muck-a-muck, high muckety-muck
   "movie stars and other notables"
   antonyms:	nonentity, no-name

Origin Middle English: from Old French, from Latin notabilis ‘worthy of note,’ from the verb notare ‘to note, mark.’ Translate notable to Use over time for: notable

@Xaosflux: In searching for Indian River State College Omar Mateen is often the first thing people take note of. Webster's defines "notable" as: (see collapsed section above). While I understand that his story is likely not going to disappear, I am requesting that his story not be Indian River State College's story. While he is an alumni and should be listed on the "more comprehensive list" click through I request that he be removed from the "notable people" list per above. Jflm1012 (talk) 23:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)Jflm1012[reply]

Hello Jflm1012 - as far as the English Wikipedia goes, our notability guidelines are here: Wikipedia:Notability. While I am not going to revert your most recent removal of this information personally, other editors may do so. As you are declared as biased if you are reverted I strongly suggest that a consensus be worked out here on the talk page, rather then by edit warring. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:07, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's utterly undeniable that Omar Mateen meets notabiltiy requirements, for example having his own article. Similiarly, his attendance at the college isn't in question either, as such this is an open and shut case. Wikipedia isn't some public relations exercise for promoting colleges by cherry-picking their best and most successful alumni. Wikipedia doesn't discriminate, and only notability and being able to verify his attendance at the college matters. The reasons for an individuals notability are utterly irrelevant and not something to consider at all. I've therefore obviously restored the material.--Shakehandsman (talk) 06:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Research

Here is a reference that IRSC did not let him continue to another program — xaosflux ^Talk 00:14, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IRSC denied Mateen entry into the law enforcement academy in 2015. ^[1]

References

^ Sun-Sentinel, South Florida. "Omar Mateen failed multiple times to start career in law enforcement, state records show". Sun-Sentinel.com.

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[1] Sun-Sentinel, South Florida. "Omar Mateen failed multiple times to start career in law enforcement, state records show". Sun-Sentinel.com.

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