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DIRECTOR INTELLIGENCE BUREAU INSIGNIA IS CORRECT

As most of the people here are talking about the false representation of the insignia of Director, Intelligence Bureau. I would humbly like to remind them that eventhough the Director, IB is not in the same scale of pay as a General in the Indian Army (Whose scale of pay is equivalent to the Cabinet Secretary, at Rs 90000) his insignia still maintains to the level of CO Army. Director, IB does't wear his uniform because Intelligence Bureau doesn't have a system made for it but kindly keep this in mind that he is entitled and he does have a general raked four (4) star plate and a also a four(4) star car flag on his car which indeed is of the same stature as of CO Army which ofcourse fully permits him to wear "State emblem surmounting star and crossed batons". Moreover if you are aware that the Civil Service Pay Commission is no longer applicable to the Indian Armed Forces as they have initiated to start another and separate pay commission of their own maybe because of the conflict between IAS and army. So, lets assume if the new armed forces pay commission decides to rasie the salary of general to a lakh would that mean he is above the cabinet secretary? I doubt it. It's not about pay scale it's about insignia so dont shuffle them up!

Refer to http://persmin.nic.in/ais/B11new.htm if you wish to verify! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.133.47 (talk) 08:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Warning - this article is the subject of repeated vandalism, and incorrect information

This article is repeatedly being targeted by certain persons, and incorrect information is being posted. The so called "equivalencies" with army ranks being posted are entirely incorrect.

1. Whereas the Director, IB, is listed as "Equivalent to General in the Army", this is incorrect. In the first place, the Director, IB is not in the same scale of pay as a General in the Indian Army (Whose scale of pay is equivalent to the Cabinet Secretary, at Rs 90000).

2. Whereas Lt. Cols are in Pay Band 4, with a grade pay of Rs. 8000, while the police rank listed as "Equivalent to Lt Col" is in Pay band 3, with a grade pay of 7600.

3. Whereas DSP's are not equivalent to Captains in the Indian Army, who are in Pay Band 3, with a grade pay of 6100, while IPS DSP's are in PB3, with GP5400, equivalent to Lt.'s in the Indian Army.

4. There can be no equivalency between army and police, the one being a military organisation and the other a civilian service.

5. In view of the fact that these factual inaccuracies are being touted as fact, this article should be marked for speedy deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.244.156 (talk) 14:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism regarding the rank of the director, IB

It is correctly mentioned below that the rank of the Director, Intelligence Bureau is tenable by an officer in the Apex scale, 6th CPC onwards. It is NOT held by an officer in the cabinet scale, which is what persons who are writing "Director IBs insignia is State emblem surmounting star and crossed batons" are trying to project. Please see PP 466 of the 6th Central Pay commission report, which clearly enumerates the fact that the Director IB is in the pre revised scale of Rs. 26000. Only FOUR governments servants in all of India are in the cabinet scale: The cabinet secretary, the COAS, the CNS, the Chief of Air Staff. The Director IB is a hallowed institution. Do not cheapen it by lying about the rank, in a false state of envy.

Please see —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.63.75.210 (talk) 10:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The Rank of the Director, Intelligence Bureau

The director of the intelligence bureau, should he choose to wear uniform, is in the rank and pay of a DGP. Some uninformed or motivated elements have chosen to try and portray the emblem worn by them on their shoulder straps as being the "State emblem over one star and crossed swords and baton". This is completely incorrect. This emblem is worn only by the Chief of Army staff, and is not authorised for the use of any police officer. The pay grade required for the wearing of this emblem is the highest, equivalent to that of the cabinet secretary. No police officer has been authorised for this grade, according to the sixth pay commission. Any attempts to suggest otherwise are extremely wishful thinking, Im afraid. Aspuar (talk)Aditya —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC).

All India Services are due to their creation under All India Services Act, not due to their comparability. Indian Forign Service is class one service. May be it is superior to all other services. If you update as you suggest it will be legally wrong.burdak 17:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I got the point. --Bhadani 14:03, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

THis is kind of confusing. All India Services says there are three All India Services, Foreign, Police and Administrative. This page seems to contradict that. It would be nice if someone more knowledgeable would fix these two so they don't contradict each other.

NPOV

This article needs to be NPOV'd. Talking about a glorious vision and hardly in consonance with democratic principles constitutes POV terminology. I will rewrite some sections if no one objects. Walton monarchist89 17:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

POV Slabs

The following sections were removed from the main page because they are far more POV and polemic than informative. I'm inclined to wonder if they were lifted from an editorial page. I'm sure this can be rewritten by someone knowledgeable about the matter while maintaining an encyclopedic tone, but until then this needs to stay on the Talk page.

The Crisis in Indian Police
The India Police can be genuinely proud of a number of achievements since its inception. However it is far from being anywhere near fulfilling the aspirations and needs of the citizens in a democracy. While no Policing system can claim to be have a high " Customer Satisfaction Index", the tragedy with Indian Police and the IPS is that most of what stands in between its current status and its aspired goals in man-made.
What Ails the IPS
1. The top leadership is woefully subservient to the Political bosses. [Barring a few honourable exceptions]It refuses to asserts when necessary and finds it expedient to go along with the tide.
2. Many officers are also in awe of its sister service the IAS and allows it to be virtually subjugated by it,from the district level right upto the level of Union Home Secretary.The result being that rank generalists find precedence over capable IPS officers even in the most crucial and important issues of Law and Order and Internal Security.
3. The service does not have a vision spelled out for itself. As a service it does not have a foresight about its role and functioning in the increasingly changing world.
4. Most of the officers of the IPS spent their time in Supervisory Roles. They are content with fault finding with lower levels and "inspecting" their work. They do not try to put in place sysytems or reforms which would help improve the organisational functioning. As a result the organisation stagnates.
5. There is also a selfish interest of the ruling political classes in perpetuating this scheme of things. Every ruling party wants to keep the Police as their agents to further their purpose.
While the situatiuon is indeed depressing, there are leading light in the service. One such person is Prakash Singh , Ex-DGP of BSF,UP and Assam. He has been n the forefront of the campaign to reform the Police. He has achieved a historic victory of sorts when the Supreme Court of India gave its historic judgement on Police Reforms in September 2006 directing the state governments to implement the reform process.
However "the powers that be" meaning IAS lobby and Politicians won't give up so easily. One can only hope for the best while keeping the fingers crossed.

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 17:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

The third and fourth paragraphs need changing big time. I don't know much about the Indian Police however.

article seems to be rather biased against IPS.

Seems absolutely biased against the IPS.

You obviously have no idea how corrupt and heavy-handed the Indian Police are. Tri400 03:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


The purpose of the article is to provide objective information about the service. The section "System and work" is highly subjective and degrads the quality of the article. Hence, deleting it. Geeteshgadkari 09:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 18:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Experts?

Experts say the Indian police force is underfunded and poorly trained.[2] One analysis does not warrant such a statement. Besides, almost every organization in the world is funded less than what it desires. Talk about POV. I shall take down this statement in a week. --Sayitaintsojoe (talk) 16:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Insignia of Director, IB

As most of the people here are talking about the false representation of the insignia of Director, Intelligence Bureau. I would humbly like to remind them that eventhough the Director, IB is not in the same scale of pay as a General in the Indian Army (Whose scale of pay is equivalent to the Cabinet Secretary, at Rs 90000) his insignia still maintains to the level of CO Army. Director, IB does't wear his uniform because Intelligence Bureau doesn't have a system made for it but kindly keep this in mind that he is entitled and he does have a general raked four (4) star plate and a also a four(4) star car flag on his car which indeed is of the same stature as of CO Army which ofcourse fully permits him to wear "State emblem surmounting star and crossed batons". Moreover if you are aware that the Civil Service Pay Commission is no longer applicable to the Indian Armed Forces as they have initiated to start another and separate pay commission of their own maybe because of the conflict between IAS and army. So, lets assume if the new armed forces pay commission decides to rasie the salary of general to a lakh would that mean he is above the cabinet secretary? I doubt it. It's not about pay scale it's about insignia so dont shuffle them up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 11:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


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Recent edits

OK, I came across this page by accident on Huggle and thought I would start a discussion to try and prevent an edit war. Why is someone inserting information about the police against the army? I really don't see how that's of relevance to the article? However I don't have any knowledge of the article and certainly not of the indian police. Please discuss the matter here, hopefully we can reach a resolution :) --5 albert square (talk) 21:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I certainly agree with you. However, as far as Talk:Indian Police Service page is concerned I have only discussed about the insignia of the senior most Indian Police Service officer, that is Director of Intelligence Bureau which was portrayed as a less senior 4 star rank when compared with the Army General in this respective article. Other than that I feel there seem to be no conflict among the two services. *Truth* (talk) 04:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits 2020-2021

There is recently some edits what are kind of chronological news collection about any news what happened connected with the IPS. Especially into Concerns section. Considering to what Wikipedia is not policies WP:NOT, especially WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTEVERYTHING, there need to be removing of content, especially individual cases what does not infulence overall functioning (to it is not huge thing what is really worthy to be added considering to this is one Encycolopedia) of this institution and more care about that is exactly added in future considering to this is general overview article. 178.221.116.203 (talk) 02:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Logical seems. And yeap. Seems as some strange different agenda is pushed here. AnAnicolaidis (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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