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Merge "Indian human spaceflight program" article into Indian Space Research Organisation#Question of crewed missions

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The result of the proposal was to not merge. (sdsds - talk) 16:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger request! An entire article based on pure speculation is a rare example. It would better served as a sub-section ISRO main article.

  • NASA and Roscosmos, despite their unprecedented success, have human spaceflight summary within the main article section
  • Indian manned space programme (as of 12.02.07) is purely based on speculation
  • A manned spacecraft design programme is yet to announed
  • The article "Indian human spaceflight program" appears more as a hopeful idea, rather than factual page
  • The SCRE is a fairly basic spacecraft recovery programme and is no concrete indication of a future spacecraft
  • Thus, the Indian human spaceflight programme piece will be best served under the ISRO relevant sub-section

- Ash sul 16:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - there are verifiable references, such as an ISRO press release ; this is more than hopeful ideas and speculations. Each human spaceflight program (Apollo, Shenzhou, etc. even far in the future - see CSTS, for instance) has its own article. Hektor 16:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have provided a verifiable source (India Today) with date, author and pages; from now on I will consider as bad faith any further comment about the lack of sources or any statement that a manned spacecraft design programme is yet to announced. Hektor 13:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Please see Talk:Indian Space Research Organisation for merger discussion. This talk page had not been used to discuss merger decision earlier. Please do not force your own decisions on this issue.
"there are verifiable references, such as an ISRO press release ; this is more than hopeful ideas and speculations. Each human spaceflight program (Apollo, Shenzhou, etc. even far in the future - see CSTS, for instance) has its own article...." - The Indian article SCRE is similar to what you are talking about, it does contain extensive outlook into possiblities into India someday (maybe sooner rather than later) having a manned space programme. As you can see from your own statement, an article on a spacecraft can point towrds future possibilities. But an entire article "manned space programme" has to be much more concrete than the current information available. Encyclopedia shouldn't be used for promo article publishment. -- Ash sul 22:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So please explain the existence of article CSTS. Please explain the existence of the article Fuji. The objectives and the budget, between 10 and 20 million dollars in 2007 and 2008, are the same in Europe and India. So why this Euro or Nippo centric bias. Why what is valid for Europe or Japan is not for India ?
Once again this article is NOT speculative. In space the criteria to distinguish speculation from reality is easy : it is budget. When a budget is allocated by a government, the program exists. The Indian human spaceflight program has a budget over the next two years, Rs 50 crore, therefore it exists. And since there are only a handful of such programs in the world, it is notable. Hektor 09:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Oppose - We have articles on other proposed manned programmes - Tier Two for example. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 19:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion

While I usually do lean strongly toward mergist tendencies, this article is well-sourced and does not seem to violate WP:CRYSTAL-the program itself does verifiably exist and has been mentioned in plenty of sources. I would agree that this article should remain separate, as it is very likely to be expandable now and in the future. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Importance to Spaceflight

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Subsequent to the merger of WikiProject Space exploration and Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight I have re-assessed this article's importance. Whereas it may have been of "Low" importance to "space exploration", it is of "Mid" importance to "spaceflight". Is that rational? (sdsds - talk) 16:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Indian astronauts will not fly aboard Soyuz

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http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=10541&lang=en --Craigboy (talk) 21:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Muhandes (talk) 11:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Contradiction : The article says that an Indian will be flying on a Russian craft. It also says, in another section, that an Indian will not be flying on a Russian craft. 82.163.24.100 (talk) 11:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

3 tons?

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does 3 tons refer to the entire spacecraft or just the reentry module? comparable spacecraft Soyuz is 6.8 tons, and Shenzhou is 7.7 tons while their reentry module are both around 3 tons. Akinkhoo (talk) 15:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Astronaut selection has been delayed to 2020

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http://www.parabolicarc.com/2012/03/25/isro-budget-human-spaceflight-delayed-mars-mission-set-for-2013/ --Craigboy (talk) 08:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Launch re-entry suits bear a strong resemblance to the Sokol.--Craigboy (talk) 07:47, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Image Used

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ISRO states that GSLV mk3 will carry ISRO orbital vehicle. But the image used in this article show something like a proton-M. Shouldn't this be removed as it is old and also confusing.Mao Martin (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2015 (UTC)Mao[reply]

Vyomanaut capitalization

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Seeing as astronaut, cosmonaut, and others are not capitalized, is there a reason why are we capitalizing vyomanaut? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Кирова (talk • contribs) 23:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Official name for project appears to be 'Vyom'

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The project under which first Indian human spaceflight would be under taken is referred as 'Vyom'

"ISRO sought manned mission for a decade... Vyom will be a national effort, not just an ISRO project. It will boost national pride,"[1]

Also on 15 August 2018 ISRO Chairman in his speech (@2min8sec, @8min5sec, @8min30s mark) refers to it as 'Vyom'

https://www.facebook.com/ISRO/videos/248411485783525/

Ohsin 02:54, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So, the programme is Human Spaceflight, the capsule is Gaganyan, and its mission is Vyom? Or the Human Spaceflight Programme was renamed Vyom? Thanks, Rowan Forest (talk) 02:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The name of programme is 'Vyom', 'Gaganyaan' seems to be name of orbital vehicle, just crew module or whole crew+service module stack, it is not clear. 'Indian Human Spaceflight Programme' is not an official term. Ohsin 03:28, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The name "Human Spaceflight Programme" look pretty official in these documents: [1], [2], [3]. I don't speak Hindi, but I suspect the reporter casually used the word Vyom as a synonym for "space mission". Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 03:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would only consider the NIAS paper as document. IHSF could encompass more than what 2022 campaign goals are or it could be simply renamed. Gaganyaan could also be renaming of 'Manav' orbital vehicle mentioned in book From Fishing Hamlet to Red Planet under chapter "Initiatives on Indian Human Space Flight" by S.UNNIKRISHNAN NAIR[2] 'Vyom' is definitely not being used casually either by reporter or by ISRO chief, in fact in common parlance it is not used at all. Lets keep it as it is and may be cite 'Vyom' for 2022 campaign after some more details emerge. Ohsin 04:43, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This article equates Vyom with IHSF but not in-depth.
"India’s human spaceflight programme, Vyom, was proposed by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) a decade ago." Ohsin 06:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Mission "Gaganyaan": An Indian Will Be Sent To Space By 2022, Says PM". Retrieved 18 August 2018.
  2. ^ "From Fishing Hamlet to Red Planet".

New details from press conference on 28 August2018

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Slides show expected flight profile. Splashdown of crew module would be in Arabian sea.

Microgravity experiments on test flights

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ISRO is inviting proposals from Indian academic institutions for microgravity experiments to be conducted on robotic test flights of orbital vehicle about 24 and 30 months from now.

https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/microgravity_experiments_ao.pdf

 Ohsin  15:05, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IDRSS or Indian Data Relay Satellite System is soon to be put up

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Like TDRSS, to support Human Space Flight two IDRSS communication satellites are planned with first one going up in 2019. They should have an optical communication payload as well, like one flown on GSAT-29 recently.

 Ohsin  18:08, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For IHSF launches existing launch pad and facilities will be used.

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Removing bit on new launch pad from article. Third launch Pad is not being build and is not a requirement to carry out crewed/crewless flights under IHSF campaign.[1][2]

  1. ^ "India's human space programme gets a fillip". Retrieved 11 January 2019. Initially, the plan was the construct a new launch pad for the human space flight, but Sivan told the Express that due to paucity of time one of the two existing launch pads is being modified to meet the requirement.
  2. ^ "Question number 1733 in Rajya Sabha" (PDF). Retrieved 11 January 2019. It is proposed to utilise the existing launch pad with augmentation for carrying out the initial flights under the Gaganyaan manned space flight programme.

Astronaut

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Hey all just a few questions, about the astronaught sections, as there names will be revealed soon'

>should we keep The Astronaut names at the forefront of astronaught section? >Should we give them a seperate article like 2024 Indian Astronaught Crops ? >should we also creat bio's for them

Pls 🙏 do let your opinions be known... RAZOR-X (talk) 06:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have started the Draft:Gaganyaan-4 (considering that since ISRO have announced the crew names, more on this mission should be revealed). Someone else also started Draft:Gaganyaan-2. Erick Soares3 (talk) 12:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, see Category:Gaganyaan-4 at Commons. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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