Talk:Independence anarchism

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Deletion rationale, if needed: This non-notable neologism lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) Firstly, the idea (of a movement/philosophy for secession to found anarchist state-equivalents) doesn't have significant sourcing. Secondly, even when using its Español variants, this turn of phrase isn't widely used even in relation to specific independence movements. Thirdly, there are no worthwhile redirect targets as no other article discusses the concept. (Currently, Catalan independence movement doesn't even mention anarchism in any form.)

@Mr A, do you have additional reliable, secondary sources to bolster this article? If not, we should likely nominate it for deletion. czar 04:29, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

In the first instance, the article is largely my own translation from the prexisting Catalan and Spanish versions. I am in the process of collecting a further array of sources (see below). In the meantime could I suggest you add citation tags where you think appropriate rather than censoring the entire article.

"...even when using its Español variants, this turn of phrase isn't widely used even in relation to specific independence movements." Can I ask what precise phrase you are referring to? I would suggest the existence of an article for this topic in five languages is quite sufficient to demonstrate at the very least that a "movement/philosphy" as you call it actually exists. Being an anarchist movement, the objective is not to create "state-equivalents"; anarchism of all variaties is opposed to state insitutions.

With regards to the article Catalan independence movement, I would once again refer you to the Catalan language article: "Finalment destacar l'existència de Negres Tempestes, col·lectiu llibertari anarcoindependentista." Mr A (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

https://negrestempestes.cat/page/26/

https://autonomies.org/2016/01/rethinking-anarchism-carlos-taibo-8/

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alfredo-m-bonanno-anarchism-and-the-national-liberation-struggle

Or perhaps the article could merge into Postcolonial anarchism? Mr A (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

I'd wager that its existence in five language WPs (each without significant sourcing) is more a function of someone's choice to translate the material. Each language WP has its own criteria and the English WP's criteria for separate articles is the general notability guideline: namely, whether there is significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) If this concept isn't discretely covered in sources, we'll either look to redirect it to a place where it is covered or delete the draft.

The phrase "Independence anarchism" isn't widely used in the English language. In Español/Spanish, are the phrases "anarquismo independentista" or "anarcoindependentismo" (or the Catalan equivalents) used any more widely in sources, particularly in reference to the Catalan independence movemente, where I could see this concept perhaps having the most currency? If it's not covered anywhere in reliable, secondary sources, we're back to what I said above.

Based on those links, without going into their editorial quality, I could see some expansion on the relationship between anarchism and nationalism but we already have an article on that: Anarchism and nationalism. What about this is a separate concept as covered in reliable, secondary sources? czar 19:22, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok I understand your meaning. There is little use of this particular name to describe a tendency of anarchism in the English language. I note that Catalan wikipedia does not have a translation of Postcolonial anarchism. I therefore feel the best course to be merging this article into that. Mr A (talk) 23:12, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

If you can source the text you've added there, sounds good. And is there a better phrase to redirect there instead of "independence anarchism", which isn't used in sources? czar 00:43, 9 February 2020 (UTC)