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Title

I've deleted the content of the "Title" section. The material is unsupported and unreferenced (original research? commentary?)

ALSO: the analysis of the original Japanese tile is singularly inaccurate. The Japanese characters (both in the article itself and on the poster illustrating the article), "愛のコリーダ", translate literally as "Love: The Realm of the Senses" not as "Bullfight".

As to the Japanese title being a play on the title of the Barthes book - this assertion is both unsupported and unreferenced. (Not to mention that it contradicts the immediately preceding claim about the original Japanese tile.)

JTGILLICK (talk) 21:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The Japanese title Ai no Corrida reflects the intellectual sources which affected Oshima at the time – specially the French writers Michel Leiris and Georges Bataille. The French title L'Empire des sens (Empire of Senses) is a pun derived from that of Roland Barthes' book about Japan, L'Empire des signes (Empire of Signs, 1970).

The "In" in the English title resulted from a translation error. The designer of the English-language materials for the film assumed that the "in" ("dans") in French-language production material was not referring to the stars who were in the film, but was a part of the title itself. The name stuck, and titles in other languages tend to follow this English convention.

Ah... the title is literally "The Corrida of Love". The rest was unreferenced, but I assumed good faith and left it in, as it sounds not entirely implausible. I'll look for some sourcing later. Dekkappai (talk) 22:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Song

The song Ai no corrida was written (music & lyrics) and recorded by Chaz Jankel [1] in 1980, recorded again by Quincy Jones in 1981 (opening track on the album The Dude), and featured in late 2005 by the group Uniting Nations. What is its relationship to the film? --LA2 11:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, according to this page[2] (which is supposedly a interview with Chaz Jankel) the song is somewhat based on the movie.

"Suddenly I’m in my hotel room with this beautiful Dutch model. Everything astrologically was happening for me that night, I can tell you. Next thing I know, this melody pops into my head, but I realised that the melody wasn’t suitable for the Blockheads. I gave a cassette with the melody on to Kenny Young, who’d co-written ‘Under The Boardwalk’. Anyway, he calls me from MIDEM. ‘Chaz, I’ve got this great idea for your melody: "Ai No Corrida, that’s where I am…"’ I had no idea what he was talking about. So he told me all about this movie by Oshima, In The Realm Of The Senses (the Japanese name was Ai No Corrida). It was a true story about a geisha who fell in love with the madame’s husband but because of the class system there was no chance they could have a relationship." I cannot vouch for the trustworthyness of the source though --85.30.133.209 13:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Theme section

Did anyone else catch the parallel theme of Japanese militarism? As the sexual encounters became increasingly carnal the Japanese military flags waved more frequently and upon the culmination of all the sexual acts the Japanese soldiers mobilized and deployed.EECavazos (talk) 03:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is "optically reframed"?

The Controversy section of the article speaks of scenes being "optically censored" and even "optically reframed", the latter being something I never heard of. Can anyone explain what they actually mean?

Does "optically censored" mean cut, or blacked out, or blurred, or pixellated, or something else? And what is "optically reframed"? My imagination fails me when I try to imagine that, and if the article was clearly written, I would not be struggling to imagine it anyway — it should be clear. — O'Dea (talk) 13:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Optical Censoring" refers to a practice in Japanese films where below the waist nudity is blurred using a mosaic technique. "Optical Re-framing" is in it's basic form similar to "Pan and Scan" in full frame (full screen) films, where as the image in question is digitally moved, in this case to not show a particular portion of the film, in other cases of pan and scan, it is used when two characters are on either side of the screen, but because of the cropping done to a full screen film and the loss of image, they move the on screen image to show when either character is talking.--74.104.20.176 (talk) 01:41, 30 April 2012 (UTC)^[1] ^[2][reply]

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U.S. title

Is there a reference to support what the article says about the film being released under the title "Realm of the Senses" in the U.S.? JoshuSasori (talk) 03:03, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BFI only notes these as alternative titles: "

EMPIRE OF THE SENSES
AI NO CORRIDA
IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES

And of course the french title: L' EMPIRE DES SENS. [3]. Never seen it by that slightly shorter name. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input. Another editor asked me about this film on my talk page, but did not respond on this article space so I am removing the "dubious" tag which I added for the other editor's sake. Thanks for your input, hopefully that will be useful for future editors. JoshuSasori (talk) 09:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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