Talk:Impiety (band)

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First effort

This is my first effort at an Impiety page... it obviously needs a fair bit of work. The bio is far too long (it's a sort of amalgam of info from Allmusic, Rockdetector and their own website). At the moment it's overly reliant on listing line-up changes and could do with breaking into sub-sections. The article could also do with more references, such as interviews, reviews etc. from magazines. On the plus side, notability shouldn't be a problem with multiple releases on notable labels, multiple international tours, and finding further sources should be a doddle... there's already a decent-size Allmusic and Rockdetector article, and a Google search for "Impiety +"black metal" gets something like 180,000 hits. I'll come back to this later but right now, I'm feeling a bit knackered :) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How are you the one who wrote anything about this band? Dont you have to know the subject you're writing on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.215.234 (talk) 12:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update

Official Impiety website is a bit outdated but still a useful source for those who wanted to check out their discography. I edited the line up because now Impiety lose two of their guitarists to be replaced by Nizam Aziz. This is not mentioned anywhere on their official site. Hence, it's outdated. Their official page on Facebook is regularly updated. If you have any doubts, please add the frontman yourself; his name on FB is Shyaithan Kommand. They are about to release their eighth studio album entitled Ravage and Conquer. So I will update this page accordingly. User:Gorgrave —Preceding undated comment added 04:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]

IMPIETY IS DEATH METAL

Stop changing their genre, that is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.215.234 (talk) 11:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please find a reliable source then. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

done. and rock detector is hardly reliable if metal archives isnt. are you kidding? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.215.234 (talk) 12:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rockdetector passes WP:RS on the basis of having had its material printed elsewhere by an independent, third-party source (in this case Cherry Red). Metal Archives has not, and as such fails the criteria. I am not going to get into an edit war with you over this; it is perfectly simple - do not add unsourced genres to infoboxes. As it is, I am informing you as a courtesy that if you continue I will report you as a persitant genre-warrior. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is insane dude. Allmusic lists them as death metal. Your source, allmusic, lists them as death metal. ALL MUSIC. LISTS. THEM. AS. DEATH. METAL. anus.com/Deathmetal.org, one of the most scholarly sites on the web, lists them as death metal and they've been reprinted elsewhere, metal-archives.com passes the good faith common standard. Knock it off. Seriously. Youtube them. Your user name is blackmetalbaz, I assume you have a rudimentary understanding of metal. Report me. Whoever views the report will see your own sources list them as death metal. Knock this the flying fuck off.

First off, please read WP:CIVIL. Secondly, we don't use the Allmusic genre lists, we only use the biographies. Thirdly, Metal Archives are never used for genres, and Anus (one of the "most scholarly sites on the web") fails WP:RS by a country mile; see their deletion log for further details. Listening to them on Youtube to establish genre would obviously contravene WP:OR and WP:NPOV. 12:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Look on any album review posted on the web about this band. This is one of the worst, most arbitrary arguments I've ever engaged it. Is this a situation where you're simply trying to be right? Remove your goofball personal motivations from the frame. The band is musically death metal. They are popularly known as death metal. Don't undermind the credibility of this place to win an argument you never really won. My lawd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.215.234 (talk) 13:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no personal investment in them being listed as any particular genre. I am simply trying to explain that there are sources that pass WP:RS and those that don't. The vast majority of reviews posted on the Internet do not pass WP:RS and so we don't use them; that includes all of the ones that you have added. If you find one calling them "death metal" or "thrash metal", please feel free to add it, but make sure it passes the criteria first! Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those sources used for the genre assertions are indeed not reliable sources, such as metal-archives and discogs. Metal-archives and discogs are not used as reliable sources on Wikipedia because of their editorial oversight. It's unfortunate that the page is now fully protected now. I don't appreciate the anonymous user stating such comments about Blackmetalbaz's knowledge of music and the band (or his/her perception of the lack thereof), because such comments assume to much.

The allmusic biography states that the band is black metal, but while the styles area says death metal as well, the styles area is known, to me at least, to have questionable genre claims that can be all over the place. I don't really care what the genre line-up is determined to stand as, as long as it's reliably sourced. If only "black metal" can be reliably sourced, then so be it. If "death metal" can be sourced by a reputable, reliable display of information, then it can be put on here, as long as it can stay constant. But yeah, genres aren't really worth this type of trouble. Backtable ^{Speak to me}_{concerning my deeds.} 06:32, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IP, I don't know how to say this delicately, so let me be blunt: Baz knows this shit inside out, and I've never seen where he's wrong about what counts as a reliable source and what doesn't. Drmies (talk) 04:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a bit silly. We have a single purpose anon, who has not provided any reliable sources, is unwilling to engage in discussion, has contravened WP:3RR and WP:CIVIL, and yet their edits remain unreverted. Why? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]