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LGBT rights activism

Abouth this edit, she dit not only legislate it, she rallied in support of the legislation. That is indeed Activism. Rupert Loup (talk) 04:42, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a source that describes involvement with the issue beyond what a liberal politician normally does? The word activist suggests a deeper involvement than just accepting an invitation to speak at a rally. NightHeron (talk) 13:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

According with the article on activism that's what an activist does: "Forms of activism range from mandate building in the community (including writing letters to newspapers), petitioning elected officials, running or contributing to a political campaign, preferential patronage (or boycott) of businesses, and demonstrative forms of activism like rallies, street marches, strikes, sit-ins, or hunger strikes." The normality of the act doesn't change that. Rupert Loup (talk) 16:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Assuming for argument that Omar did one of the things from your list (a dubious proposition, since her relevant activites were sponsoring legislation and giving a speech): LGBT activism is not a defining (or even significant) aspect of Omar's biography; it's not one of the reasons she's notable, and her involvement with it is insubstantial. --JBL (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

That's fair. Rupert Loup (talk) 16:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2020

Announced third marriage on 3/11/2020 https://www.instagram.com/p/B9nW-g3jhsA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link 174.126.189.220 (talk) 02:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

174.126.189.220, we should wait until there are reliable secondary sources that confirm the marriage before we put it in the encyclopedia. So far, all I see is this: https://kstp.com/news/rep-ilhan-omar-announces-marriage-on-instagram/5671821/. SunCrow (talk) 02:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

NBC - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/got-married-u-s-rep-ilhan-omar-says-announcing-wedding-n1156221 MaineCrab (talk) 05:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

AP, Fox News, The Hill. - DoubleCross (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I have added a sentence and one of the refs to the article. --JBL (talk) 23:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that; it's a start. - DoubleCross (talk) 01:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I reverted an edit about claims of an affair; the edit summary referred to this talk page, but the consensus here was just to include the marriage, not any allegations made during divorce proceedings that were denied, per WP:NOTGOSSIP and WP:BLP. NightHeron (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

NightHeron, I have reinstated my edits and would ask that you kindly review my comments below before making a decision about reverting them. Point of clarification: While there was talk page discussion about the Mynett relationship some time ago, there was not and could not have been consensus about including their marriage because the marriage did not happen until this week. The Omar-Mynett marriage changes the situation, and reliable sources are discussing the prior affair claims within the context of the subsequent marriage. Thank you. SunCrow (talk) 21:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

By "consensus...to include the marriage" I clearly meant the agreement of 5 editors reflected above in this section. Your comments below had not been made when I saw your edit summary and reverted. I don't see why gossip about an alleged affair that came out in divorce proceedings merits inclusion in Wikipedia. In any case, it would be good for other editors to discuss this before it's included in a BLP. NightHeron (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Relationship with Tim Mynett

Until very recently, information on Omar's alleged relationship with Tim Mynett was not included in this article. That decision was a reasonable one, given that the alleged affair was denied by both Omar and Mynett and Wikipedia is not the Enquirer. The article continued to omit this information even after both Omar and Mynett had divorced their spouses. There was previous talk page discussion about the issue. However, Omar's recent marriage to Mynett changes the situation. The reliable sources reporting on their marriage mention the affair allegation--sometimes in the headline--and the ensuing divorces. The Omar-Mynett marriage has been added to the article; I contend that it is now time to mention the alleged affair in the article as well. It is relevant to Omar's personal life, it is arguably relevant to her career (given that Mynett's company worked on her campaign), and it is well-sourced. To omit the potential connection between the marriage and the previous affair claim would make the article unbalanced. Accordingly, the final paragraph of the "personal life" section has been edited to read as follows:

On October 7, 2019, Omar filed for divorce from Hirsi, citing an "irretrievable breakdown" of the marriage. The divorce was finalized on November 5, 2019. She announced her marriage to political consultant Tim Mynett in March 2020. Omar's campaign had worked with Mynett's company, E Street Group. In August 2019, Mynett's then-wife, Beth Mynett, had filed for divorce, claiming that Mynett and Omar were engaged in an affair. Omar denied the allegation, as did Mynett.

SunCrow (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

For instance, here is an excerpt from ABC's story on the marriage:

Larry Jacobs, a politics professor at the University of Minnesota's Humphrey School of Public Affairs, said... constituents may question the way Omar handled the situation.

“Remember the story began with her denying a relationship, and now she’s marrying that person,” Jacobs said. “I think there are legitimate questions that constituents might ask about whether Congresswoman Omar has been fully truthful in her discussion of this relationship, and the nature of her marriage to a previous husband," whom Omar divorced last fall.

SunCrow (talk) 22:01, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

SunCrow, yes, of course it should be mentioned. It's highly relevant and notable. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

NightHeron Zaathras Sir_Joseph The challenged material on the alleged Omar-Mynett affair satisfies WP:BLP (more specifically, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Public_figures). The relevant policy language on BLPs of public figures reads as follows (I have added bold print for emphasis):

In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out.

Example: "John Doe had a messy divorce from Jane Doe." Is the divorce important to the article, and was it published by third-party reliable sources? If not, leave it out. If so, avoid use of "messy" and stick to the facts: "John Doe and Jane Doe divorced."

Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair. It is denied, but multiple major newspapers publish the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation belongs in the biography, citing those sources. However, it should state only that the politician was alleged to have had the affair, not that the affair actually occurred.

If the subject has denied such allegations, their denial(s) should also be reported.

The disputed content is just like the second hypothetical set forth in the policy, and the denials of the affair are included. The content should stay in. SunCrow (talk) 06:03, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Fully agree that the content is WP:DUE and needs to be re-added. XavierItzm (talk) 00:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

XavierItzm, there's no "public scandal". – Muboshgu (talk) 00:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

There is no rule that only "public scandal" information is WP:DUE. Wikipedia is not a database of public scandals. XavierItzm (talk) 13:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)