Talk:Igor Bunich

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Comment: "Operazija Grosa"

In seinem Buch "Operazija Grosa", Moskau 2004 (Jausa), giebt Bunic den Text eines von ihm entdeckten Dokuments wieder, das den Plan für einen Großangriff auf ganz Westeuropa enthält. Das Dokument befindet sich in der "Osobaja Papka", der Handacte Stalins, trägt die Unterschriften von Marschall Timoschenko und vom Chef des Generalstabes Merezkov, der übrigens diesen von ihm selbst mitverfaßten Plan später an die Wehrmacht verrieth,sowie die Nummer 103202/06 und ist datiert mit 18. September 1940, ist also 3 Monate früher als die Direktive Barbarossa entstanden.Daß dies nicht nur ein belangloses Gedankenspiel war, beweist, so Bunic, daß schon am 17. November 1940 im obersten Generalstab und danach in den einzelnen Wehrkreisen mit Kriegsspielen begonnen wurde, in denen der Plan durchgespielt wurde. Nach der Ernennung von Schukow zum Chef des Generalstabes im februar 1941 wurde der Plan MP 41 genannt: Mobilisazjonnij Plan 41. Bunic giebt die fundstelle dafür an: ZAMO, f. 15A,op.2154, d. 4, 1. l. 199-287. In diesem Dokument ist auch der Stand der sowietischen rüstung kurz vor dem einmarsch der Wehrmacht angegeben: 300 Divisionen, 8 Millionen soldaten, 27500 Panzer, 32628 Flugzeuge: Ergebnis einer in der Weltgeschichte einmaligen Aufrüstung!

Bunic geht es nicht um eine Reinwaschung Hitlers, sein Leitmotiv ist vielmehr die Frage, wer für die gigantischen Menschenversluste Rußlands im zweiten Weltkrieg verantwortlich ist. Wie es überhaupt zu solch einer Katastrophe kommen konnte. Er hat ein Dokument entdeckt, daß besagt, daß Rußland im zweiten Weltkrieg 30,5 Millionen Soldaten verloren hat. 8,5 wurden direct im Kampf getödtet, 22 erlagen ihren Verletzungen, von letzteren die Hälfte einer Tetanus-Infection.

Moved to here the text in German which was re-submitted by 137.248.1.11 (talk · contribs) on 9 Feb 2006 - Introvert ^~? 03:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Comment: "Operazija 'misinform' "

Here is the original text of the dokumnet 103202 I din't find it in english, so if you want to check if I'm lying, fing translator or find full text in english (or whatever language you know...): This is not a plan of aggression. 103202 has plans for offence BUT after aggression from Germany or Japan. No plans for aggression against Germany. —Preceding unsigned 22:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I tried to read this document, but it is so badly transliterated russian that I could not understand it. This is certainly the document from 1941, which is printed in Bunichs book. Bunich consideres it as a plan for an aggression against western Europw. Jäger

I didn't find any translation of this document and my english is not good enough, so i cant translate it myself properly, but the basic idea in this document are actions of soviet army as answer of german aggression. Bunich has access to this document before it was "opened" to public and he used some part of it for his own needs. The problem for Bunich is that this document is opened for anyone, who understand russian (and may be it will be translated), and anyone could check if his ideas are truth. And this is not a plan but practically only ideas in one document. For example the plan "Barbarossa" has many documents, orders, maps for armies, divisions and so. "Operation 'Storm'" was only some pages of text and nothing else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.54.174.223 (talk) 17:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bunin's death

The Russian wiki lists him as died in 2000 but I can't find any articles or anything that references it. Williamb (talk) 08:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]