Talk:Ignác Batthyány
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Requested move 7 March 2017
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 04:06, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Ignác Batthyány → Ignatius Batthyány – He published as Ignatius Batthyány [1] etc., and lived before the age of nationalism. Even Hungarian authors translate his given name into English: [2]. Mihai Andrei (talk) 15:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose We can't move it to a name which is half Latin half Hungarian. And English sources use the current Hungarian name. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose He was a member of a Hungarian aristocrat family. Modern publications use the name "Ignác Batthyány". I do not understand the "lived before the age of nationalism" argument. --Norden1990 (talk) 22:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Even a single google search gives approx. 15 times more result on Ignác, just because there are some authors with another version, I would not consider it enough. About publishing, those times, all over Europe even earlier or later Latin was widely used not just only in the administration, but not really in the real life. I also do not understand the "lived before the age of nationalism" argument.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC))
- See also Stephen Báthory, Ignatius of Loyola etc. If you choose the blinkered, hungarian nationalist solution, it's a pity, more undeserving for bishop Batthyány. --Mihai Andrei (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Stephen Báthory was a monarch. Both examples are totally different cases. Modern scholars generally use Ignác Batthyány name in their English-language works. That's the point. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ignatius Batthyány was bishop. Please compare: Nicolaus Copernicus, Nicolaus Olahus, Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch etc. --Mihai Andrei (talk) 10:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Still irrelevant. Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch was his native name, Nicolaus Olahus is a Humanist Latin name of a late-medieval Hungarian-Romanian bishop. Ignác Batthyány was a 18th-century bishop and member of a clearly Hungarian noble family. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- So you prefere a double standard. If the bishop was no Hungarian, the latin given name, e.g. Alexander Rudnay (1816-1819), but if the bishop was Hungarian, than the Hungarian given name in the English Wikipedia. Very inconsecvent. --Mihai Andrei (talk) 11:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Alexander Rudnay is also a native name here. He originated from a Slovakized Hungarian noble family. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Mihai Andrei, "Stephen" is not a Latin name, regarding Ignatius of Loyola as also Norden1990 pinpointed in the other cases, it depends also on the common English usage, or current scholar majority reference, period, etc. and various distractions mentioned above, there is not any double standard. Please ignore such ridiculous remarks like "If you choose the blinkered, hungarian nationalist solution, it's a pity, more undeserving". I don't know or chose such you described. What if i.e. some editors would claim to alter Romanian names and replace them to Slavic forms written in Cyrillic? Keep these in mind please!(KIENGIR (talk) 23:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC))
- Alexander Rudnay is also a native name here. He originated from a Slovakized Hungarian noble family. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- So you prefere a double standard. If the bishop was no Hungarian, the latin given name, e.g. Alexander Rudnay (1816-1819), but if the bishop was Hungarian, than the Hungarian given name in the English Wikipedia. Very inconsecvent. --Mihai Andrei (talk) 11:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Still irrelevant. Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch was his native name, Nicolaus Olahus is a Humanist Latin name of a late-medieval Hungarian-Romanian bishop. Ignác Batthyány was a 18th-century bishop and member of a clearly Hungarian noble family. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ignatius Batthyány was bishop. Please compare: Nicolaus Copernicus, Nicolaus Olahus, Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch etc. --Mihai Andrei (talk) 10:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Stephen Báthory was a monarch. Both examples are totally different cases. Modern scholars generally use Ignác Batthyány name in their English-language works. That's the point. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- See also Stephen Báthory, Ignatius of Loyola etc. If you choose the blinkered, hungarian nationalist solution, it's a pity, more undeserving for bishop Batthyány. --Mihai Andrei (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose mainly by the arguments above, but I also note that the link given by nom above seems of no great relevance... it is headed Batthyány Ignác püspök és az alvinci kastély [Bishop Ignatius Batthyány and the Castle from Vințu de Jos/Alvinc] and that seems the only place on the page that his name is translated. Andrewa (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
- Please see the Encyclopaedia Britannica: [3] etc. [4], [5], [6] --Mihai Andrei (talk) 21:01, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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