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Grammatical error?

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Is there a grammatical error with this song? If I WERE A Boy? Correctly,is If I WAS A Boy??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.144.23.245 (talk) 10:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Double single

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The source does not say that this will be a double single with "Single Ladies", but a simultaneous release of both singles. --Wolfer68 (talk) 06:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

source

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--Efe (talk) 03:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RECEPTION

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It's all over the site the receptions of the songs "IF I WERE A BOY" AND "SINGLE LADIES", i hope someone could post them here because i'm still in the process of learning how to properly edit the pages with the sources/reference. please can someone post it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xlaws001 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

chart performance

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can someone post the chart positions of if i were a boy in other countries, i have the link for brazilian singles chart (http://www.hot100brasil.com/chtsinglesb.html) IF I WERE A BOY debuted @ 68 there but i don't know how to edit the chart in the main page so please can someone do it for me, and if someone has the links of the performance of the song in other charts then please post it also thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xlaws001 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No one should add the Brazil Hot 100. It's an unreliable chart produced by a fan, and any references to it will eventually get deleted. You can look at WP:Articles for deletion/Hot100Brasil.—Kww(talk) 00:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Removed. No reliable sources can support it. --Efe (talk) 06:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CHARTS

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beyonce's if i were a boy had already moved up on the charts you can see on the website of billboard.. PLEASE can someone edit it for me i really don't know how to edit the charts portion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xlaws001 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. TheRevolution7 fixed the table and I updated the peak positions as well as added new charts. DiverseMentality(Boo!) 01:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much!!!! I really freaked out when i saw that the chart was messed up!!! --Xlaws001 (talk) 02:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UK Singles Chart

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The single has debuted in the UK at #2, just behind X Factor's "Hero" single. Could someone edit it on the page? Thank You!!

Dutch vs. The Netherlands

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I'm not totally sure now, but, as far as I know, the dutch singles chart is that of the Netherlands, isn't it???

Beyonce is #1 now in the OFFICIAL singles chart in the Netherlands, so I cannot still understand that position in that other "dutch singles chart" which is not provided by any official source. Rub rb (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They should be the same chart. It looks like acharts.us is a few days behind Billboard. Let's give it a few days and see if acharts.us catches up. If they don't, we should scratch the acharts sourced chart. The problem with the Billboard source is that it isn't generally useful, as it only lists the number one song.—Kww(talk) 00:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think they're two diffrent charts. We should remove the Netherland Charts because they're provided by Billboard and they're also not official in the Netherlands. --It's Flo (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Netherlands Chart from Billboard is not the same as the Dutch Top 40. Billboard make charts for many countries, but the official in Netherlands is the Dutch top 40, it is the one they show as official, and I know it because I lived there for a while. We should not keep to Dutch charts, we should take of one. Same happen with Irish Chart, on Billboard they say Beyonce is #1, but in the Offcial by IRMA is #2, I think it is because Billboard give more importance to digital sales, and every country has they are own system--Albes29 (talk) 12:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

united world chart and euro singles

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shouldnt those charts be included in the song's chart history and succesion section

the song both reached number 1 on both charts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.74.0 (talk) 04:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those charts are omitted because they are non-notable charts with dubious methodology. See WP:BADCHARTS for further information and more charts. DiverseMentality 04:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy section

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The story I read is a lot different. I'll find the source when I have the chance. The gist of it is that BC Jean and Toby Gad wrote the song, but it remained the property of Tony Gad, the producer, and her record company. Knowles' team approached Gad and he gave her the song. Whether or not BC Jean knew about it is between BC Jean and Tony Gad, not between Knowles and BC Jean. Knowles had all legal clearance to record the song (hence the lack of a lawsuit). The section as is does not present a balance of the situation, and clearly insinuate ethical accusations against Knowles, despite the fact that she may not have anything to do with the situation. Her manager and leagal team sought the rights to the song, and Knolwes was never personally involved with this. In all honesty, she may have thought that all was fine when she got the song to record. Orane (talk) 09:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And PS: And to be honest, the neo conservative, Republican hypocrites at Fox news are a poor choice for sole source of a news story. Orane (talk) 09:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can no one expand on this? It doesn't do for there to be incorrect information on the page. Madithekilljoy (talk) 22:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hey mate. I cleaned this up a bit for you and removed the npov tag. Perhaps you are looking for [verification needed], [unreliable source?] or [citation needed] instead. Craig Pemberton (talk) 06:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did Beyonce write the bit near the end?

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There're a few lines near the end that sound really out of place "If you thought you could come back // ... // you thought wrong". I'd hazard a guess that Beyonce (or her team) added them. If the information is available somewhere, maybe the article should mention the differences between the original version and the popular version. Gronky (talk) 18:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No she did not. BC Jean's music only. Charmed36 (talk) 01:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article intro says the song was written by BC Jean and Toby Gad and the Background section of the article says the concept/words are by BC Jean. If you claim that BC Jean is only responsible for the music, then the article is very wrong. Are you sure? Gronky (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that Knowles did not write the music and lyrics. Charmed36 (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: — Legolas (talk2me) 11:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this Jiveesh. — Legolas (talk2me) 11:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Links – Per the tool, please replace teh redirect links and remove unreliable sources like Youtube etc. Just because someone uploads a video on their "official" account, does not make it notable. Also, wrong addition of junk code in the urls of Yahoo etc should also be replaced.
 Done Jivesh boodhun (talk) 10:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can still see that for the .pdf links, you haven't added a "format=PDF" in the webcitation template. Also, please replace all caps from the reference titles. Why is acharts.us being used and so many of the online sources are italicized? Please correct them. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Jivesh boodhun (talk) 06:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done — Legolas (talk2me) 08:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done and i left you a message. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 11:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not endorse the fact that you are placing a {{done}} template here, but in reality the references are still not done. I will point you out to them. Referencs 4, 7, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 29, 30 (unreliable), 34, 35, 40 (wrong publisher, Spin is published by Spin Media LLC), 42, 49, 51, 52, 53, 56, 58 (all have wrong titles), 63 (there's no author), 71 (wrong formatting), 73 (presenter full name is Nihal Tyagi), 75 (caps), 76, 82, 94, 98, 99-104, 111-114, 127, 133-135 (why are they suddenly linking to Billboard charts?). So can you imagine what is the impact when you place a {{done}} template and the reviewer comes back and sees that half of them hasn't been done? — Legolas (talk2me) 12:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Single Top 100 is a component of the Dutch Top 40, and should be used only if the single did not chart on the Dutch Top 40. Dutch top 40 can be sourced only from acharts if i am not wrong? Jivesh boodhun (talk) 13:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.top40.nl is the website where the Dutch Top 40 is archived. I told you to check WP:GOODCHARTS. — Legolas (talk2me) 16:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are the corrections done? — Legolas (talk2me) 15:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 05:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • DAB – No dab links, good.

I will be reviewing the article, mean while you carry on with the url corrections. — Legolas (talk2me) 18:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and other reviews

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lead
Background
  • Up-and-coming singer BC Jean, who wrote most of the song's lyrics, took inspiration in writing "If I Were a Boy" from a bad break-up --> Rephrase, An article should not start with such abstruct beginning. Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jean and producer Toby Gad were strolling in Times Square when the former saw hot dogs that enticed her being peddled on the street. Jean was lamenting about how she was trying to stay away from the hot dogs and noted how if she were a boy, she could probably eat one without regrets.[1] That led to her musing on how if she were a boy, she would be much better than her ex. Gad asked Jean to repeat her sentiments into a recorder.[1] They returned to the studio and wrote the song in 15 minutes. Jean recorded her version of the song which was rejected by her record company.[1] --> I checked the source, and this is a blatant vilation of WP:OR, you cannot blindly copy an author's addition like this. Either rephrase it or I have to remove it. 'Fixed" Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just found one and i have replaced it. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 13:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • That whole block about the Spanish version and the remix, how is it making sense in the background section, and not in the composition? Remixes are of course part of composiition, and so is any alternate language versions. Move it. — Legolas (talk2me) 06:43, 24 December 2010 (UTC) Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Composition
  • in the key of G major with a vocal range from the tone of G♯3 to the note of E5 --> Make it a separate sentence Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The song is the first taste of "I Am ..." and it stands as the only song on either disc that Knowles didn't co-write. --> taste? Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • BC Jean, who wrote most of the song's lyrics, took inspiration in writing "If I Were a Boy" from a bad break-up.[2] --> repetitionRemoved Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The singer further explained that the song is broad --> broad? Removed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Fergie and Ciara song needs to have a year associated with them, like Irreplaceable. Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "If I Were a Boy" is mainly about a wistful role-swapping experiment,[18] that is Kowles narrates on how callously she might treat her lover if she were a boy and she tries to highlight the vulnerability of a woman.[3] --> I could not make out any head and tails of it. Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to Leah Greenblatt of Entertainment Weekly, "If I Were a Boy" soars with melodic swells and unwavering sentiments shown in its lyrics.[19] In the song, Knowles also wonders what it would be like to drink beer with guys, chase after girls,[20] and continues singing about how she would "chase after the girls" and "put [herself] first" and belts out in the chorus about how she would "be a better man" because she knows "how it hurts when [we] lose the one [we] wanted, [because] he [has] taken [us] for granted."[21 --> My god, couldn't you elongate it more? What? Haha, Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lyrics are both a lament for misunderstanding between the genders --> I seriously cannot understand what the hell the wrod gender is doing here Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The song features Knowles' delivering an excellent tormented performance[23] with controlled, emotional[22] and passionate vocals.[24] --> I say her voice in the song was pathetic and just shouting, would that work? The point is who said all those adjectives? Very funny, Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Controversy
Reception
  • If I Were a Boy" was generally well received by music critics who praised Knowles' tormented performance, emotional and passionate vocals and called the song her best work yet --> Not again, replace with If I Were a Boy" was generally well received by music critics who praised Knowles' banshee like voice, haglike and hateful vocals and called the song her best throaway yet. LMAO ,Please explain, should i really write that, i mean it seems like i am downgrading Beyonce?

This is just a line to summarise what critics generally told. I meean i saw it on other articles.Jivesh boodhun (talk) 10:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

O.K, i have shortened the line. I didn't source it because it is sourced just a few lines later. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 11:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • ' which she recorded as a for the soundtrack to the 2006 musical film Dreamgirls. --> Unnecessary Jivesh boodhun (talk) 11:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bill Lamb of About.com initially stated on the album review "If I Were a Boy" was --> Bill Lamb of About.com initially stated on the album review that "If I Were a Boy" was Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • When you mention song names within someone's quotes, write them with single quotes. For eg this is wrong --> Sal Cinquemani said that the song is "one part "Irreplaceable", one part "Big Girls Don't Cry", .... This is right --> Sal Cinquemani said that the song is "one part 'Irreplaceable', one part 'Big Girls Don't Cry', Fixed Jivesh boodhun (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Live performances
Comment
Why was the Reba McEntire version moved to the bottom? It looks separate from sitting there, whereas covers are as much a part of the main body of the article as the main song. And please remove that single chart for the cover version. The prose alone is sufficient. We can imagine how the chart table looks like. :) — Legolas (talk2me) 18:27, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Adabow did that. Fixed Jivesh • Talk2Me 19:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment
You still havent removed the alternate image. I did explain to you that how it fails WP:NFCC#8 didn't I? — Legolas (talk2me) 05:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing the changes promptly Jivesh, because I have placed the article as GA. Congrats. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reba McEntire version

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I think a different article for Reba McEntire version should be made, and only its connections with this version should be kept here. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 15:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Covers should be included in the main article itself, unless there is more information about the cover version than the original version, like "Dangerously in Love 2" for example. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:43, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have made some changes to the section, hope it looks fine. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 14:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thank you. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:30, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, you are really a great editor, how do u make so many GAs? :P ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Simple. My love for Beyonce is unconditional and it knows no boundaries. When you really love doing something for someone dear to you, it comes naturally; you do not take it as an obligation. By the way, i know i have already told you this but i want to repeat myself. I have never seen a 13 year-old boy being so polite and helpful. You talk so nicely and make sure never to hurt others. Some grown up here need to learn from you. You are an ideal example to follow. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 16:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To find a source

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A contestant of the sixth season of The X Factor UK sand "If I Were a Boy".

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are great. GREAT. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • UK

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 20:11, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks feel free to add them. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A Cover versions section should be created. We can search on YouTube for covers and then try to see if the covers were noticed and published by reliable sources. That's what i always do. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok. But should that section be before Reba McEntire's version or in the part of the main version? My love is love (talk) 18:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but separate it (sub-section) since it is more notable than the rest. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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Background section
Controversy section

My love is love (talk) 19:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Video's Concept

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:49, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To remember

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  • Debut on Z100 ((done}}
  • Top 10 in 25 countries. ((done}}
  • On October 23, 2008, a remix appeared on the net with Lee Carr who confronts the song's theme from a male perspective.
  • Add shipment

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:02, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For Future Expansion

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A replacement for Blender

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:29, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Best Selling UK Single

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

UK Sales

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Arizona Rebublic

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • "She felt that she had to attempt such a song taking into consideration that Aretha Franklin once said that "a great singer can sing anything and make it her own."" feels a bit awkward, but I'm not sure how to rephrase it.
  • "With unwavering sentiments, she delivers a tormented performance." according to who? I feel like that should be a quote.
  • "This motif was demonstrated by placing the album's ballads and ptempo tracks on separate discs." I assume that should be "uptempo", but I wasn't 100% sure.
  • "The music video for "If I Were a Boy" is both compelling and reflective of the independent woman stance that Knowles has exhibited throughout most of her career." again, according to who?
  • "Eventually, the song was included on Knowles' live album, I Am... World Tour as the 29th track." why eventually?
  • "During the afternoon, TMZ.com reported late Wednesday afternoon that the tape was a hoax" I'd just change that to "TMZ.com reported on <insert date> that the tape was a hoax"
  • Multi-page PDFs need page numbers

—Jenks24 (talk) 11:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:45, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch comments

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Following up on my peer review and continuing my very slow copy edit, I am confused by the second paragraph of Release. It gives a date for release of the single in Europe (Nov. 7). Then it says a different version of the single was released in Germany (which is part of Europe) the same day. Then it gives an earlier date for digital single releases in France and the UK (which are also part of Europe), repeats Nov. 7 for the CD single releases there (which is repetitive but consistent), and then says CD single was released "in mainland Europe on November 18, 2008". This last bit contradicts the earlier statement that the single was released in Europe on Nov. 7, ignores the fact that France is part of both the "mainland" and Europe, and generally makes no sense with the rest of the paragraph. How about a rewrite something like:

Overseas the ballad was part of a two-track CD single, including "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" as the B-side [is this right? If there were two lead singles, would it be a double A side??], released on October 17, 2008 in Oceania.[33][34][35] In France and the United Kingdom, "If I Were a Boy" was released digitally on October 26, 2008,[43][44] and as a CD single on November 7, 2008.[45][46] A CD single version also went on sale in Germany on November 7,[39] and in the rest of Europe either that day,[36][37][38] or on November 18, 2008.[38] In Canada the single was released November 7,[40] and two different digital EPs were made available on February 3 and 10, 2009.[41][42] A Spanish version was translated by Rudy Pérez and mixed by Andrés Bermúdez at The Beach House in Miami.[47] "Si Yo Fuera un Chico (If I Were a Boy)" was included on the album as sold on iTunes Stores in Mexico and Spain,[48] where it was released as a stand-alone single on February 3, 2009.[49]

Ruhrfisch ><>°° 22:45, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this. It is definitely much better than what is currently there. Coming to "Single Ladies", they were dual lead singles on in the US. "Single Ladies" managed to chart everywhere only because of the dance craze associated with its video and those parodies. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I just understood what happened. I mixed up the references. Lol. I will be fixing everything right now. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Please check it again. Thanks. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To remember to find another source for this

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another cover

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Writing Credits

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How does Beyonce get writing credits when she just recreated the original demo version and didn't change a single thingCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)., also it is very similar to Tom Petty's "Free Falling"(67.241.234.32 (talk) 11:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:30, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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