Talk:Idaikaadar

Reason for removing the Proposed Deletion Tag

Until we gain access to more evidence, it is a general practice to use the word "believed" with all ancient works/facts. This doesn't mean that they are false. Idaikaadar is believed to have written Verse 54 of the Tiruvalluva Maalai, just as Homer is believed to have written the Iliad and the Odyssey. Or maybe we can say the said verse is attributed to Idaikaadar. With much of their details yet to be unearthed, the notability of any ancient person or thing lies not in the stingy details available of them but in the very fact that, despite such scrimpy details, they've remained known to us for millennia. This is especially true of all the works/poets of the Sangam period. Even if they were to be considered legendary, they are indeed things of much cultural and archeological importance. Coming to notability, Idaikaadar is traditionally known for his famous quote "கடுகைத் துளைத்தேழ் கடலைப் புகட்டிக் குறுகத் தறித்த குறள்". Rasnaboy (talk) 18:56, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Deprodding of Idaikaadar

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Idaikaadar, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the file. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Rasnaboy (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Makhamakhi. Thanks for nominating. I've just added few more sources for the article Idaikaadar and have improved it a bit (given the ancientness of the topic, we need quite some more time to find more details). I've also explained my objection in the talk page. If you still feel it should be deleted, please go ahead. Will try to find more info and citations in the meantime. Thank you. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC) @User:Rasnaboy - Its okay that you deproded. But, I just want to know if he has written any book? or just a single verse (no. 54)? Is he really notable? Makhamakhi (talk) 04:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

With what I know about the Sangam literature thus far, poets of the Sangam period generally contribute to the Sangam literature with just a handful of verses, and sometimes even just one or two, because contributing to the Sangam literature itself was considered highly prestigious. Very few poets have written hundreds of verses (Valluvar, for example, wrote 1330 verses). Notability is not determined by the number of verses but by the context of the writing, meaning of the verse, depth of thought, reproduction by other poets and scholars, adoption into the cultural mainstream, etc. In short, the very contribution to the literature was considered notable. (Tiruvalluva Maalai, for example, is a work that contains just 55 verses, each written by different poets. Such was the uniqueness of the Sangam era). Coming to Idaikaadar, there were at least two persons by that name, and they have written several verses (again "several" in the Sangam parlance). I'm yet to see who wrote which. One thing I know for sure is both of them were Sangam contributors. Once we segregate their contributions, we may need to create another article for the other person of his namesake. Rasnaboy (talk) 05:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)