Talk:Ida Ospelt-Amann

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The result was: promoted by Dying (talk) 11:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Liechtensteiner poet Ida Ospelt-Amann composed her works exclusively in the Alemannic dialect of Vaduz? Source: (google translation) "As a local poet and collector of sayings, anecdotes, songs, games, etc., Ospelt was committed to the maintenance and preservation of the Vaduz dialect. Schnitzelbanks, poems and stories have been created since the 1950s. Radio and television appearances as well as poem settings testify to Ospelt's popularity." https://historisches-lexikon.li/Ospelt_(-Amann),_Ida
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Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 13:20, 7 January 2023 (UTC).

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Overall: I assume good faith on the references. I added "the" to the hook. SL93 (talk) 04:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Lajmmoore and SL93: From an outsider's perspective, I'm not sure that I'm seeing much in this hook. She's writing her poems exclusively in a dialect that is spoken across her country, and particularly in the area in which she worked? It doesn't seem like there's that great a payoff in here, although her work is definitely important. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:25, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much theleekycauldron - it's always good to be pressed on hookiness. How about:

ALT1: ...that Liechtensteiner poet Ida Ospelt-Amann collected proverbs for Liechtenstein National Museum? Source: "Liechtensteinischen Landesmuseums, und Ida Ospelt-Amann sammeln Sprichwörter und Redewendungen." https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QYEccgAACAAJ&newbks=0&hl=en&redir_esc=y is the ref & you can access the book here https://www.eliechtensteinensia.li/viewer/image/000468127/80/LOG_0014/

If other people can see a hookier hook than me, it would be great to see other suggestions Lajmmoore (talk) 18:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Hmm. What makes a hook hooky, in my opinion, is its ability to make the reader ask questions about the topic. This is certainly a neat fact, but I don't think it quite has that curved point at the end of it. This article doesn't look like it offers up so much in terms of hooks, so I would love to hear what other people have to offer. ALT0 might be the best we've got, but I don't really want to go with it... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:04, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

hi Theleekycauldron, I do know what you mean! I'm struggling to find that uplift though - I've been trying to find more sources, but there's not much to add that might make anything hookier. Lajmmoore (talk) 12:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: On the one hand: Let's face it. This will never be a top-clicked DYK hook-of-the-month. On the other hand: This may sound odd, but I have read the original hook dozens of times now, and have always loved the poetry of it – I like the sound of the words (which is neither here nor there, but thought it was worth saying). In any case, it leaves me curious about the Alemannic dialect of Vaduz – what is it exactly, and is there something interesting about it? My advice would be to add at least a sentence or two in the article providing background about Vaduz. That may help to trigger some detail we could tie in with a new hook (or maybe we even decide to keep the original). (Is Vaduz dying or reviving? How many people speak it today? What other dialects is it close to? etc.). Cielquiparle (talk) 04:46, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Cielquiparle thanks very much - i hadn't thought of it like that, so will do some contextualising, and see what comes up! Lajmmoore (talk) 12:54, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Just leaving a note to say I asked for help with this at Women in Red, as my dialect research hasn't been very helpful! Lajmmoore (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

What about:

ALT2: ...that poet Ida Ospelt-Amann helped preserve the Vaduz dialect?

Suggested because I find sometimes excluding info helps a hook pique interest, but maybe this is too opaque. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@Innisfree987: your hook works for me, but I'd prefer if it were rewritten out of wikivoice; if we're not saying in the article that she definitively did that, we shouldn't be doing that in the hook either. Maybe throw in the award? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Theleekycauldron, whatever you and Lajmmoore see fit works for me! Innisfree987 (talk) 05:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that the Liechtenstein poet Ida Ospelt-Amann wrote exclusively in the local Alemanic dialect?

I think this expresses the idea more clearly. (See discussion on the WIR talk page.)--Ipigott (talk) 07:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... that Ida Ospelt-Amann pioneered appreciation of dialect poetry in Liechtenstein and was awarded a Golden Cross of Merit for her efforts?Sources: here & here Lajmmoore (talk) 08:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Approving ALT3 and ALT4, per additional input from Ipigott, etc. Striking the other hooks so there is no confusion. Cielquiparle (talk) 14:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)