Talk:Ichthyoallyeinotoxism

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Word Formation

Who coined the term? It is full of mistakes.

First of all, it is utterly illogical why you would use the Greek infinitive instead of the word stem to create compound words.

so you would use thwe word stem aly(o)- instead of alyein resp. alyein(o)- which is completely wrong.

Secondly the wrong spelling with two l instead of one is a strange hybrid between Old Greek and postclassical Latin.

allyein (allyo) with double l in Old Greek means, to unchain, let loose from a chain, untie from a chain

halýein (ἀλύειν, ἁλύειν alúein (ἀλύω, alúo) with one l means: to be in a frenzy, extasy which would be the correct meaning derived from the word: λυσσα lyssa (frenzy), parasite that causes rabies in dogs Capitalized: Λυσσα, Goddess of madness/frenzy; the Latin term alūcināri (alūcinor) that in postclassical Latin later became halūcināri 'to speak thoughtlessly, to dream' stems from that Greek verb.

Why thd double l became the standard spelling in modern remains unclear. But given the fact that the word derives directly from thd Old Greek makes it arbitrary to use a wrong spelling with double L based on the Latin

Why is there so little research into this?

why is there so little research into this? not only in their entheogenic value but also understanding and avoiding accidental consumption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.149.178 (talk) 06:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ethical implications

I would like to start a discussion regarding the use of animals as entheogens. In the history of mankind, use of entheogenic substances has been prevalent and wide spread as a source of altering consciousness for a variety of purposes. Should we feel different about harvesting a plant for consumption versus an animal for consumption (terminal) for a hallucinatory experience? --CATFARTS (talk) 05:23, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Voluntary ingestion?

I am not sure if anybody would ever ingest a poisonous fish with these effects on a voluntary base. That the fish was indeed eaten intentionally by ancient Romans cannot be deduced from the links and sources given. Furthermore, there might be other effects depending on the dose or type of poisonous fish ingested. Even comparing it to LSD is problematic, as this substance is, despite its pronounced psychoactive effects not very toxic and does not lead to discernible toxic reactions other than hallucinations and psychosis. This is clearly a case for toxicology and not for the experimental drug seeker. (Osterluzei (talk) 10:47, 15 November 2013 (UTC))[reply]

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LSD-like hallucinations

From what I can see from experience reports, Sarpa Salpa (at least) isn't LSD-like but is more akin to datura or another deliriant drug whereas LSD is a psychedelic. I think this might be case of people calling any hallucinogenic drug 'LSD-like'. I'm sure reliable sources don't exist on this issue - perhaps we could delete the 'LSD-like' descriptor instead? Earfetish1 (talk) 11:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Hallucinogenic Fish

“Ichthyoallyeinotoxism” is already a subheading on the page Hallucinogenic fish. Having this be a separate page doesn't add much information that isn't already on the other page, especially since it is so short. Daniel11alien (talk) 05:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]