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Covers

This song has been covered by a few artists since its release. One artist, Frank Chaira (http://www.myspace.com/FrankChaira), switched the song to 'I Kissed A Boy.' The other artist, Attack Attack! (http://www.myspace.com/attackattack), kept the same lyrics, but screamed the 'us girls, we are so magical...' part. Both are up-and-coming myspace celebrity artists.

KP has never kissed a girl

She is quoted in this interview as admitting she has never kissed a girl.. surely that fact is worth mentioning in this article somewhere? It is fairly significant to the meaning and purpose of the song imho Omgplz (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yes she did. Katie Couric mentioned it. She said, "You have, in fact, kissed girls". And Katy confirmed it. Then When she was interrogated if she liked it, katy said, "I don't think I would have continued if i didn't like it when i first did it" or something like that. Search "katy perry katie couric interview" on youtube. you should get it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.3.148.189 (talk) 02:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps Katy Perry should be listed among LGBT musicians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.42.98 (talk) 16:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Controversy: lesbian kiss

wow, just... wow: "The song has gained a significant amount of controversy since its rise to popularity due to its positive treatment of a lesbian kiss.[1]"

really? do people really believe this? i don't know, i passed 12yo a while ago, but damn, i don't think i was ever that stupid. a female kissing a another female in order to get a male is certainly not lesbian. only in an extreme, strict sense it's a "lesbian" kiss, but so is a woman or girl kissing her mother; a man or boy kissing his father.

take any old white kid for instance, they can put on a "black" accent all they want, it won't make them black. in fact, the only person who can talk "black" is black, whether you view their accent as "black" or "white." why is this? well, do the words 'social construct' mean nothing to you kids?

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Secondly, if you had read the reference you would find that it is not true. The controversy is over the drunken and amoral nature of a (mild) sexual act committed in public. Hyacinth (talk) 23:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
It's not unusual to talk about "lesbian sex" or a "homosexual relationship" without regard to the sexual orientation of the participants. I don't think it's ridiculous to say "lesbian kiss" when both of the participants are female.
And after several readings of the referenced article, I still took away that parents don't want their kids hearing about a kiss between two girls, not that they don't want their kids hearing about a kiss. The article definitely doesn't draw a conclusion about why the song is controversial, it only quotes a bunch of people on the subject. But lines like "Her friend Carly Johnson, 17, of South Orange, said she didn't think the song would encourage teens to experiment with bisexuality"--er, and so what if it did? There's an implied disapproval there. There's also nothing in the article about infidelity, and I still don't think a song can "support" something.
Anyway, I don't mean any disrespect and I don't like controversy, so I'm going to bow out. --Galaxiaad (talk) 02:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it's that far-fetched to say it's slightly controversial for that reason (though it could certainly be phrased more eloquently); one only need look at sites such as http://virtuealert.blogspot.com/2008/06/overnight-success-of-katy-perrys-single.html for evidence. There are plenty of songs that 'promote infidelity' that go unnoticed, yet as soon as a song is about bisexual experimentation, you have the papers writing about its so-called support of infidelity. Is that REALLY the matter at hand? And does it REALLY seem that sexuality has nothing to do with it when the interviewees feels compelled to specifically say that whatever 'controversy' is NOT with regard to sexuality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.124.237 (talk) 07:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (identity) indicates that "same-sex" is preferable, especially in many situations, to "lesbian". Hyacinth (talk) 02:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

How's the section look now? Hyacinth (talk) 22:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Structure

Why is the track listing now in the middle of the article? Why does the music video section now divide the criticism and controversy sections? I'd put the track listing at the end and the music video info before the reception. Hyacinth (talk) 03:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


UMM JUST A LITTLE TIP THE SONG HAS SOLD MORE THAN 2 MILLION IN THE US. KATY HAS CONFERMED THIS IN AN INTERVIEW WITH HOWARD STERN. SO CAN WE CHANGE IT TO 2 MILLION+. AND CHANGE IT 2 DOUBLE PLATNUM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.234.164 (talk) 21:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

released

The article says the song wont be released in the UK until September, but it is listed as already being released. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zobango (talk • contribs) 22:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Why people still puting september 1st UK. It clearly been released. Charted at no.4 It #1 on UK itunes right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.202.236 (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus controversy

First of all, this lacks citations - is there proof a controversy even arose? Second, whether or not Cyrus is a minor is largely irrelevant. It's not as if Katy Perry said she was going to have sex with Cyrus - then her age would be an issue. But as far as I know, it's OK for an adult to kiss a minor. TheKillerAngel (talk) 01:21, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

She kissed Cyrus!? 70.24.86.49 (talk) 19:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Nope. No one said Perry did. Apparently she mentioned the possibility in an interview. Cyrus, however, and of course, said she wouldn't [1]. Hyacinth (talk) 22:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Perry is too old for Cyrus, breaking Miley's mother's under-eighteen only rule [2]. Hyacinth (talk) 01:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Poor housekeeping

[3] Hyacinth (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Award Nom

Someone add something to the article about I Kissed a girl being nominated for "Best Female Video" for the 2008 MTV Video Music Awards.... (i dont know how). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.39.119 (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Sobule

Does this have anything at all to do with the Jill Sobule novelty hit from 1995? Sobule's song was released as a single, and was a minor popular success; this article should really be at something like e.g. "I Kissed a Girl (Katy Perry song)" (indeed, it looks as if someone has redirected it from there). -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 00:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The JS song does not have its own article*. There is a disambiguation hatnote at the top of the article that will direct people looking for that song to the proper article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 02:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
.*currently. If you can find reliable sources to start one, feel free! (At which point, the contents of this article will need to be moved to a new page name, and this will become a disambig page on its own.)

Why would this page move? Hyacinth (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's amazing that this song gets its own article, whereas the older song of the same name by Jill Sobule doesn't have an article at all. I think for its time, the Sobule song was more controversial. Oh, and Fabio was in the music video for that one. 98.221.133.96 (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Be bold and start that article. Hyacinth (talk) 10:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
In general, is it wise for an anon to create an article? I use Wikipedia a lot and I'm farmiliar with most protocol, and perhaps I will create an account one day. Still, while the original idea behind Wikipedia was that anyone could edit and create articles, there seems to be a sense of elitism among the deep-rooted account holders, who seem to hold anons in contempt. Yet, such contempt seems a bit un-Wikipedian in my opinion. So, should an anon be bold, or am I asking for trouble from the self-proclaimed, self-appointed protectorates of Wikipedia? 98.221.133.96 (talk) 01:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
My first thought would be that if you are unwilling to read guidelines such as Wikipedia:Be bold you should probably avoid being bold.
However, far more importantly I would caution you to keep in mind the distinction between between "trouble" and people whining.
Of course, Wikipedia:Be bold does not specifically address your concern as an anonymous editor, but it does caution, "Be bold! ...but be careful." You'll have to read the guideline to see what that means before I explain further.
Lastly, when an editor is harsh, rude, uncivil, and attempts to chastise you without informing you of policy, that editor may actually be in more potential trouble than you, since Wikipedia has clear policies or guidelines requiring civility, disallowing personal attacks and comments, and requiring one to not bite newcomers. If you are still concerned, consult the relevant manual of style for the article you wish to edit (in this case Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music)). Hyacinth (talk) 02:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

German Chart Position

'I Kisses A Gir' debuted at numer 2 on the German Single Chart.[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Flo (talk • contribs) 12:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.media-control.de/katy-perry-debuetiert-auf-platz-zwei.html

Italian Chart Position

'I Kissed A Girl' climbed at numer 7 on the Italian Single Chart.[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.23.41.244 (talk) 09:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.fimi.it/classifiche_digital.php

"I Kissed A Girl" in Malaysia

I live in Malaysia, and as far as I know, the "...a girl" part was never been censored or silenced. In fact, it's still can be heard clearly.--ZcrBz (talk) 02:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Entered Billboard Alternative songs

I searched in the billboard website and it says that I Kissed a Girl peaked the alternative songs at 27, but everytime i try to edit the column, it says ilegal chart or something like that, so if anyone could add...cuz i cant seem to do it right ...heres the ref http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/katy-perry/chart-history/958673?f=377&g=Singles 24.139.117.90 (talk) 03:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

"Moreover, it has reached the summit of the United World Chart."

Which is what? It's not wikilinked, and WP doesn't have an article on it. 86.136.250.154 (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

That is because it was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United World Chart. It should be removed. - eo (talk) 18:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of section: Fan Reaction

I deleted the section "Fan Reaction". It was nothing more than a personal attack. 85.147.240.236 (talk) 22:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Jill Sobule

The Jill Sobule song should get an article, considering the amount of vehemence it garnered from the US religious right. 70.51.8.75 (talk) 10:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in I Kissed a Girl

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of I Kissed a Girl's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "acharts":

  • From Low (Flo Rida song): "Flo Rida and T-Pain - Low worldwide chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us. Retrieved December 28, 2007.
  • From Bleeding Love: "Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love - Music Charts". aCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-01-11.
  • From All Summer Long (Kid Rock song): "Kid Rock - All Summer Long worldwide track positions and trajectories". acharts.us. Retrieved 2008-07-26.
  • From A Little Bit Longer: http://acharts.us/album/36988
  • From Sex on Fire: "Kings of Leon - Sex on Fire worldwide chart positions and trajectories". aCharts.us. Retrieved September 15, 2008.
  • From Disturbia (song): Rihanna "Disturbia" charts positions

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Poland

Hey! In charts was "Polish Single Charts". A now? Where's?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.236.0.198 (talk) 20:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

There are no Polish charts meeting Wikipedia inclusion standards, so the Polish chart gets deleted when it gets noticed. WP:BADCHARTS has the list of bad charts, and WP:CHARTS gives the guidelines.—Kww(talk) 21:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Russian Airplay Chart

The single has never been on the 1st place of Russian Airplay Chart! Look at the reference, Airplay Detection TopHit 100 top chart position - 2. Malmax (talk) 09:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Man in bed with her at end

In the music video section of the article is states, without a ref: 'she wakes up next to a male companion called Derek'. However, the video does not state anyone's name, and I believe the man is actually Travis McCoy. Where would anyone get the idea he is called Derek? F W Nietzsche (talk) 18:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award Best Song

Isn't that sort of... unusual? I scanned the main article (here). Is it mentioned here? It should be.

http://perezhilton.com/2009-02-06-kids-love-lesbo-action-i-kissed-a-girl-up-for-kids-choice-favorite-song

Macshill (talk) 18:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in I Kissed a Girl

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of I Kissed a Girl's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "RIANZ":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Her MTV EMA win

In the Awards and Nominations section, the asterisk next to the win for Best New Act remarks that Katy Perry was the host of the show. To me, that implies that Katy merely won because she was the host. Anybody else agrees with me or am I being overly suspicious? --Whip it! Now whip it good! 02:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The Vibrators

http://open.spotify.com/track/6Hqf7YgOSCP12IXR7SwlpV

The new version of this song's lyrics were I'm sure written by the people the article says. But the basic tune is the same as I Kissed A Girl by The Vibrators. Which came first? The articles should link to each other. --90.220.22.201 (talk) 19:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Katy Perry's version is from 2008 and the version by The Vibrators was released first on the 2009 album "Pure Punk" and it's a cover album. // Liftarn (talk)

How Do I Work This In?

There are some facts I've noticed about Katy Perry's performances of this song, most notably the live ones.

1. She playfully opens her mouth after the final "I kissed a girl and I liked it" during the first and second chorus and the "I liked it" to mimic the shock by people over hearing the lyrics. Almost a playful parody of the "Aw, you naughty girl you" surprise face. But she rarely does on the third one, because that would be greatly risking a stream of drool pouring out of her mouth, embarrassing herself and making a situation ripe for tabloids, because unlike Tori Amos, she is too well-known to avoid that kind of negative attention. Nonetheless.....

2. During her performance of this song, and some other songs, but most extensively in this song, Katy Perry typically does not swallow her saliva. This may be a strange thing to notice, but how could I not? I noticed that her speech becomes incresingly slurred during live performances of this song (which, I believe, is why many critics feel that she can't sing live without knowing it, I think she sounds beautiful live, but her pronunciation becomes increasingly "imperfect" as the song wears on), plus her head seemed to be tilted up towards the end in all cases, and I took notice of this as a result. It's not just because of the play-gasp, as there are many other opportunities to swallow her saliva, but she leaves her mouth ajar during those times. I know this is a weird topic, but if Tori Amos fans can talk about her drooling, why can't Katy Perry fans talk about her almost drooling? This isn't to make fun of her, by the way, this is actually just an observation, and I actually gain more respect for her for doing this, it shows she gets so into this song that she just wants to sing it without interrupting it. Plus, it allowed her to take bigger breaths for longer, unbroken song phrases. Which leads to the third one.

3. Her gestures, hand motions, playful gasps, winks, and everything make her performances memorable like a Broadway show, telling a story with more than just the lyrics and adding an air of believability to it. I don't know her personally, but I can say for certain, that by the level of how much she gets into the performances of this song, I think it's her favorite song. Don't get me wrong, I know she loves her other songs like "Ur so gay", "Mannequin", and "Hot and cold", but it seems like this is her favorite song.

Personal opinion, but I think the claims of her being homophobic are ridiculous, her parents are quite possibly, but her? Certainly not. I know that some of this can't go into the article because it's my opinion, but I think 1, 2, and parts of 3 of my points could have their material worked into it. I don't know if celebrities read their own Wikipedia articles, but if so, I hope this revlation of noticing these things doesn't embarrass her, because I'm actually praising her for these things. Some of the greatest singers of all time paid little mind to their saliva pooling up as they sang: Paul Robeson, that guy that sang The Impossible Dream on Ed Sullivan, Tori Amos, Natasha Beddingfield (sometimes, at least during live performances of "Unwritten"), Lena Horne, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.63.206 (talk) 05:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could begin a wiki article on 'Saliva Pooling Singers'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.104.4 (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Sources

— Simon (talk) 04:42, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2 April 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. Clear consensus that this song is the primary topic. Cúchullain t/c 14:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


– WP:SONGDAB, shouldn't require an RM. btw, Jill Sobule's comments at I Kissed a Girl (Jill Sobule song) about Katy Perry are amusing. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:16, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

So that's 80% for this article. Even assuming a few of those readers were looking for the other articles (and note, the disambiguation page only got 154 views), that's a massive majority interested in this article. For long-term significance, compare Google Books searches for Glee, the film, and the Jill Sobule song (many of which discuss it in reference to the Katy Perry song) with the Katy Perry song. With TWODABS, the Sobule fans can get to that article with one click, just as they could from a dab page. Dohn joe (talk) 14:12, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Striking the TWODABS argument, as there are four articles on the dab page. This remains however, the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by usage and significance. Dohn joe (talk) 14:42, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
How much thinking went into opposing this RM on the basis of WP:TWODABS when WP:FOURDABS would have the case? Yes the Katy Perry song is more popular. So what? WP:Naming conventions (music) requires the artist be given for multiple song articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:54, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
"Yes the Perry song is more popular." Glad you agree. And yes, it is more covered in Google Books. SO, it is the primarytopic. I don't see the issue, other than your fringe interpretation of WP:SONGDAB. My initial comment, btw, relied on the preceding comments, including your nom, which only mentioned the two song uses. Dohn joe (talk) 15:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
WP:PTOPIC still applies, and more instances of "I Kissed a Girl" pertain to this song than the other three entries COMBINED. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:01, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Again, the problem with Paris is that is a city, not a pop song which has different familiarity to different age groups and music tastes. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Your relative familiarity with Paris versus Paris versus Paris versus Paris versus Paris versus Paris versus Paris versus Paris doesn't depend on similar things? Red Slash 19:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
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Genre

Per WP:RS ("Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered"), WP:OR ("Wikipedia articles must not contain original research."), and WP:SUBJECTIVE ("articles should provide an overview of the common interpretations of a creative work, preferably with citations to notable individuals holding that interpretation. Verifiable public and scholarly critiques provide useful context for works of art."), you need genres sourced. It doesn't matter what other articles say about genre as bands change styles and you need to find appropriate ones per album. It also doesn't matter if other articles don't use citations, they will need them eventually. We don't use wikipedia as a source from other pages. If you can find sources, please add them. If not, refrain from adding uncited material about genre to articles. 123.136.111.78 (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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