Talk:I Drink Your Blood

Related to Charles Manson?

Why is this film on the list of media relating to Charles Manson? Sure, it was inspired by the Manson family, but so were a lot of other slasher movies. All the other movies, books, etc. on that list are directly related to the Manson family. Is there a direct connection between the two that I am not aware of?24.155.113.148 03:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Section removed from main article due to question of relevance

I removed this section as it seems to be a biography of one of the actors. It may be useful in the creation of an article about that person:

Bhaskar Roy Chowdhury

The film's lead actor, Bhaskar Roy Chowdhury was a famous dancer in his native India. He had moved to New York City and started his own dance company in the 1950s. Bhaskar starred in and choreographed the first Merchant/Ivory production, The Creation Of Woman, with Dino and Anjali Devi. Bhaskar maintained an active schedule of touring with several different partners and company members throughout the 1960's and 1970's. Anjali Devi, Shala Mattingly, Raja, Cindy, Carolyn Kay, and Candace Hibbard to name only a few. At the time of the accident in 1977, Bhaskar, Dances of India was booked for four solid years of touring when, On October 25, 1977, during rehearsal at Purdue University Theatre, he fell 36 feet from the stage into the orchestra pit, which left him permanently paraplegic. Bhaskar and Carolyn Kay were to perform a two-man show at Purdue, using only music, lights and costumes. There was no reason for the orchestra pit floor to have been lowered. The floor had been at stage level at the beginning of rehearsal. As the sound and lights were being set for the evening's performance, someone lowered the floor of the orchestra pit, Bhaskar stepped backwards to see the lighting, and fell; first onto his hands and feet, breaking his wrists, ankles, and snapping his spine, and then bounced up, landing for the second time on his back. He was on a foster frame at the Purdue hospital for several weeks, moving to the Rusk institute of Rehabilitation shortly before Christmas. At the Rusk institute, with the assistance of his two current partners, Carolyn kay and Candace Hibbard, Bhaskar choreographed a five-member company (Carolyn Kay, Candace hibbard, Homer Garza, Janet kaylo, and Ingrid Ross) to complete the booked engagements for the American tour in February of 1978. Bhaskar refused to perform from his wheeled chair, maintaining his artistic direction of the company for several years. As a choreographer, Bhaskar was very generous, encouraging all his dancers to perform and share his dances with others. Bhaskar wrote several books(not yet published) and produced some fine paintings before his decline in 2004. After a severe decline in health, he died on August 4, 2004.

Missing Information and Expansion

This article is way too short and is missing important information on the film's reception. This film is quite significant as is was influential to the exploitation film genre like The Toolbox Murders. As such more information needs to be added to the article, with information on the film's production, release, controversy and legacy added to the article. Information on the film's development, writing, and filming needs to be added to the film's production section as well. All of these changes and additions need to occuAr in order for this article to meet Wikipiedia's standards of a well developed article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 23:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC) There is a significant amount of information on the film's production, and release featured in the book Nightmare USA: The Untold Story of the Exploitation Independents by Stephen Thrower; ISBN: 1-903254-46-9. It is featured on pages 175-177, and details on the film's development, production, and release are found on pages 186-191. I will try and add information on the film's development but I will need someone else to add information on the film's production, casting, filming, and release since it's covers a lot of information and I am also working on expanding several other articles as well as me being busy with other things. Please let me know if anyone s willing to help expand this article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Production Information Forthcoming

Because of the film's significance to exploitation cinema and the fact that this article remains underdeveloped and improperly reference, I have decided to expand the article myself. I am currently working on writing information on the film's production so expect that information to be added soon. Anyone that is willing to add more information from different sources (I am using the book Nightmare USA which covers the film extensively) please let me know if you want to help- collaborate with me to help expand this article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 03:01, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:I Drink Your Blood/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 21:00, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Very interesting! Happy to offer a review. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:00, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• I wonder if four paragraphs is too many for the lead? Also, the third paragraph seems to be ordered oddly; release is mentioned twice.
• 1970 or 1971?
• Repetition of "cult member" in the plot; also, why "apparently" raped? The line before, you say she was raped.
• What has bought up the town? As it reads now, it's the dam, but I'm assuming you mean the crew? Or do you mean the owners of the dam?
• Be consisted in how you refer to Doc Banner - Doc or Banner?
• "Incited Sue-Lin, Rollo murders fellow cult member Shelly." I don't follow.
• "A curious Carrie attacks the homeowner with a knife." In what sense is she curious?
• What's your source for the cast list?
• You have several sentences (including a quote) that are not that well attributed in the distribution section - just some references at the end of the paragraph. Also, I'd mention a paragraph break after the mention of the Guilds.
• "a disease that attacks the central nervous system, driving victims mad and homicidal" Really? I trimmed this from the lead. Not only is it informal, but I'm not sure it's accurate - at the very least, it's insensitive.
• I feel like you tell the same story about Gross being pitched a film called Phobia and approving it twice. I appreciate that they are at different stages of production, but could you check your sources to see if there's been a muddle-up?
• "Many critics have cited Bhaskar's performance as Horace Bones as being one of the film's major assets." Many, but you cite only one. Does this belong in the casting section?
• "Bhaskar would continue his work as a professional dancer until a 1977 accident while performing a difficult manoeuvrer paralyzed him from the waist down" Relevance?
• I'd include the fact Farber was Gross's wife in the article proper. Are either of them worth a redlink?
• There's too much going on in the first sentence of the filming section

Stopping there. Please check my edits so far. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:00, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Author's response

Looking over the review, I will address the question you have on certain issues as well as some of my own. The reason for the reference in the cast section was only meant for Lynn Lowry who was uncredited in the film. The mentionings of the disease was a quote from the writer/director, however factual or fictional, was just to show the inspiration in their own words. Mentionings for Bhaskar continuing his dancing career was a continuation of the mentioning of him being a dancer, and the impact it (the film) had upon him.

My questions are this, what do you mean by "You have several sentences (including a quote) that are not that well attributed in the distribution section - just some references at the end of the paragraph"?

I have also made the following corrections:

• Fixed lead section
• Clarified plot
• Limited the number of mentionings of the film's original title.
• Rewrote lead sentence of Filming section.
• Clarified release date.
• The note on Farber moved to the main body of the article rather than a footnote.

Hope this helps.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

To answer your question: By "distribution", I meant "development". The referencing for the second paragraph could be much clearer; especially for the quotes. As for the disease issue: If you're quoting the director, so be it, but perhaps a direct quote would show that we're not necessarily endorsing the claim. And I'm not necessarily sold on the idea that we need details about Bhaskar's subsequent career, but let's park that for now. Moving forward, perhaps it'd be better to reply to my bullets individually, so we can keep track of what is resolved and what isn't! Josh Milburn (talk) 17:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• "Although the film was marketed under the now-infamous title I Drink Your Blood, director Durston had originally intended to release the film under the title Phobia or Hydro-Phobia" Another mention of this; this sentence and the one prior to it feel a little out-of-place. And what makes the title infamous? And when is "now"?
• Do we need the list of all these one-off screenings? Is it that unusual for old horror films to be rescreened like this?
• "The film's original cut was released by Cheezy Flicks on Oct 25, 2005." On DVD, I assume?
• "The Encyclopedia of Horror said that "as the film now stands what looks like it might have been a raw, ferocious thriller has become a frustrating exercise in splicing, incessantly building up to scenes of bone-crushing horror and violence which never actually happen."" Could you cite the authors, rather than just the book? (Also, is that the correct name of the book?)
• Is Lowry in the remake of The Crazies or the original? What's your source for the claim? I wonder if the paragraph on the other films could be streamlined a little?
• What does it mean to update violence?

Thanks for the clarification. I have made the following edits to the article:

• Rewrote the second paragraph of the Development section.
• Removed Bhaskar's subsequent career info
• Removed rabies definition.
• Removed original title mentioning from the development section.
• Clarified Cheezy Films releasing as DVD format.
• Moved film festival releases from 2019 into the Legacy section, as it was in celebration of the film.
• Names authors of The Encyclopedia of Horror Movies
• Clarified Lowry's appearance in the original Crazies film and not the remake.

Hope this clears everything up.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Put update violence sentence as a partial quote.

Looking at sourcing now... I've messed around with the formatting. It's not perfect, but good enough for GA status.

• I'm not sold on Cinepassion... It looks like the author is a (semi-)professional critic, but it's still self-published.
• What makes elitisti.net a reliable source?
• What about Destroy the Brain?
• Film Monthly?
• What is the entry in the "sources" section adding? Perhaps it could be incorporated or added to a further reading section if reliable, or removed if not reliable.
• I've added two discussions in a further reading section. If you can incorporate it, that'd be great; but if not, it's fine as further reading.

This is coming together nicely. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:26, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Couple more quick thoughts:

• The fact that this is a film about hippies isn't really mentioned.
• There's some useful (if brief) analysis in Our Old Monsters, which I will also add to further reading.

Response Updated

Thanks for the heads up on those sources. I looked over them and made some adjustments. As far as the Elitisti reference goes, The film's released at the Night Visions Film Festival, which is screened in Finland and looking at their main website, they do not seem to archive any of their past screenings. The Destroy the Brain reference was an additional tie-in to Grindhouse Releasing's promotional screenings in preparation for the film's DVD release by the company. I have also made the following edits to the article:

• Removed Film Monthly reference (URL is dead and unsalvagable).
• Added Grindhouse releasing interview to home media section.
• Added a 1971 review of the film by The Los Angeles Times to the reception section.
• Added Gardenour Walter reference to article (was unable to add the others due to page number not listed in Google Books Preview).
• Removed Hippie Films category (Someone else must have added that there).

Hopefully, that clears everything up.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

One quick reply: The sources suggest that this is a film about hippies, so the category should be re-added - as well as a mention somewhere in the article. Something in the plot section would be enough! Josh Milburn (talk) 20:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I did a little more tweaking with the wording of some things just to get it all flowing right. Hopefully this all helps.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: Yes, thank you for that. I will be able to take a proper look through again soon. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:45, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Looking again:

• "Incited by Sue-Lin, Rollo murders fellow cult member Shelly." None of these have been introduced yet; are they all cultists? Can this be made clear?
• "and is joined by Dr. Oakes" Again, could you tell us who this is? Town doctor, member of the local public health board, mad scientist...
• I'm not going to fuss about it for GAC purposes, but I note that you're a little inconsistent in your (non-)use of the serial comma

Need to stop there, sorry. Back tomorrow, hopefully. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:01, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the whole comma thing, that's always been an issue for me. Anyways, I redid some of the plot to help with the flow and clarification.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:00, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

• "Horace encounters Sue-Lin, but she thwarts his plan to kill her. Rollo and Horace fight, allowing Andy, Sylvia, and Pete to escape. Rollo soon gains the upper hand and impales Horace with a sword" Again - Sue-Lin and Rollo are not introduced. Cultists?
• " where it is subsequently killed by Mildred" He or she rather than it, I think. Generally, could I recommend "rabid construction workers" or "rabid cultists" or "rabid townsfolk" or something rather than "the infected"? I realise at this point we've probably gone full zombie-movie, but still...
• You talk about 21st century screenings in two separate places. They probably all belong in the legacy section.

Other than that, I think we're good to go. Josh Milburn (talk) 09:47, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Done, and done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:22, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I forgot to mention this yesterday, but I looked over a previous version of the plot section, which was more detailed to the point of excessiveness. The issues you were seeing in the plot points of Su-Lin and Rollo, as well as some other points I felt could have used a bit more clarity, were present and I managed to transfer a filtered down version of that into the plot. It might be a bit rough but I hope that helps with the whole flow and clarity of the section. Anyways, feel free to look it over and let me know if it still needs work on it.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Great; I'm now happy to promote. Good working with you! Josh Milburn (talk) 12:06, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Lmao who removed "citation needed" from the wolf bit?

Someone added it recently, and it now appears to have been removed. Considering the very basic things Wikipedia requires sources for, you cannot say that a crazy movie like this was inspired by a true story while offering zero sources whatsoever. EDIT: Lol okay, so I guess there was a citation WAY later in the article. Just never occurred to that editor that maybe including that citation upon the first mention might make a modicum of sense. Way to go, buddy. Don't worry, I fixed your work for you. No need to remove the citation needed anymore, now that the article isn't laid out as shoddily as you originally left it. 2603:8080:6400:FF8A:4D:E7D5:2E14:3088 (talk) 17:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Considering you were trying to cite things in the lead rather than the body of the article, it was removed as the lead encapsulates all the information I provided in the article. You are correct that sources are necessary in Wikipedia articles, though I would argue that the information already exists in the article so it doesnt need a citation in the lead.--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)