Talk:IDubbbz/Archive 1

Archive 1

Rejection notices

Should I delete them to unclutter them? DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Move them to this talk page. Are you the subject of the page? Legacypac (talk) 20:55, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

No. I'm just one of the writers for this article. I'll go and do that. DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 13:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Complaining

There needs to be more sources so we can get more reliable information. Controversial subjects on YouTube aggravate me when it comes to writing articles because traditional news outlets refuse to report on them unless it's in a negative light. DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 16:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Previous AFC notices

{{AFC submission|d|bio|u=DatGuyonYouTube|ns=118|decliner=Dial911|declinets=20180118204536|ts=20180118204010}} <!-- Do not remove this line! --> {{AFC submission|d|bio|u=MrDankMeme|ns=118|decliner=Eddie891|declinets=20171216162255|small=yes|ts=20171208171809}} <!-- Do not remove this line! --> {{AFC submission|d|bio|u=Samuraidiamyo|ns=118|decliner=Joe Decker|declinets=20170418165435|small=yes|ts=20170418155720}} <!-- Do not remove this line! --> {{Old MfD |date=16 February 2018 |result='''keep''' |page=Draft:IDubbbzTV}} {{AFC comment|1=still not seeing notability [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>^{'' [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]}'' </small> 16:22, 16 December 2017 (UTC)} {{AFC comment|1=Needs to show notability as he is not listed among the [[List of most-subscribed YouTube channels]]. Please provide secondary sources independent of the subject that show significant coverage of the youtuber. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;">AngusWOOF</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 23:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)}}

Source needs inclusion

this source is not in the article. it covers how the account was hacked. R9tgokunks ✡ 23:59, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

How is this not an article?

His single Asian Jake Paul is an article, yet he doesn't have one? That doesn't make any sense. R9tgokunks ✡ 00:04, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree but the three times we've sent it to AfC, it got rejected due to "lack of notability" because major news outlets refuse to cover him.

I did a WP:ADVANCED search and got pretty much nothing. I did find a mention at Bust and a shirt and a Forbes blog. wumbolo ^^^ 15:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Notability

The subject of the article now meets the criteria for notability because his single Asian Jake Paul charted on the Billboard R&B/HH Digital Song Sales chart. Howpper (talk) 16:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Real name

Subject refers to himself as Ian Carter for the most part, but some of the sources on the Internet suggest that could also be a stage name. Wetheunicorns: "His real name is either Ian Carter or Ian Kovic. No one's really sure, which is a safe move on the Internet we guess." [1] while Earn The Necklace suggests Ian Kane Washburn. [2] although they also have used Carter [3] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:29, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not too sure if I would trust any of those sources. Just stay with Ian Carter, it's the most consistent. Zoom (talk page) 19:43, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

High school yearbook states Ian Washburn (https://78.media.tumblr.com/4abafa514166287d864a3cf6b2dc298f/tumblr_olho4geU0q1vbyulwo2_640.jpg) His company, IDUBBBZTV, LLC, filing number 201709710101, is registered to 'Ian Washburn'. He since changed the name to 'FBS PRODUCTIONS, LLC', but the filing number and original filing documents are still there (https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/SearchResults?SearchType=NUMBER&SearchCriteria=201709710101). Long story short, 'Ian Carter' is an alias and should be listed as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.139.84 (talk) 03:26, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Personal Life

Should we delete the Personal Life section for now? It doesn't give much information besides what's in the infobox already. DatGuyonYouTube (talk) 13:21, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Residence source question

Can a pinned YouTube comment by iDubbbz be a source about his residence? wumbolo ^^^ 20:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

You mean "Who do you think would be a good guest that lives near the Los Angeles area?" That doesn't really confirm he lives in Los Angeles though. It'd be better if he tweeted or youtubed something about living in Los Angeles, or if there's a news article saying he's a resident. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:42, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Overall structure and appearance

The bulk of the text needs some cleanup from sub-sentences which are overtly descriptive and/or repeat previously stated points and information, I cleaned up the AJP section bringing it up to a more wikipedia/journalistic standard. I appreciate any feedback. (Johndark93 (talk) 13:34, 29 May 2018 (UTC))

@Johndark93: thank you for the copyediting! The article needed substantial cleanup; it is much better now, with room for improvement. wumbolo ^^^ 14:15, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Wumbolo: Editing on the HTML (rather than on plain-text) is challenging but I will try and work more on the article. Johndark93 (talk) 14:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Removal of content

I'm just notifying here that I removed a bunch of text which was either unsourced, or was only sourced to primary sources. I looked for sources for that content, but couldn't find any. Of course, if someone finds reliable sources for some of the content, they can put it back with the sources they found. There are still some sentences sourced to primary sources, but these sources are reliable sources of information (valid WP:PRIMARY sources). I also renamed the "Career" section to "Content Cop" since it's now only about the Content Cop, making one think whether this article is Content Cop or iDubbbz. wumbolo ^^^ 20:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Wumbolo: I get what you are saying, looking at similar cases it seems that this page might end up that route. That being said between iDubbbz and the creator of TempleOS for example (who is much less notable than his work) I think Ian is more notable on his own, mostly due to the complementary work he has done to the AJP content cop. If the "diss track" didn't hit the charts then I contend it would be more difficult to argue. Putting my opinion aside though, is Carter gonna do anything in the future to garner mainstream attention outside Content Cop? Seeing as he values his personal privacy I think not for now. The Comedians in "x" doing "x" parody gets views, but are just vlogs. Anyway he has a tendency to surprise, so I would suggest to be moderate for a while. Johndark93 (talk) 10:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johndark93: I'm surprised that his vlogs haven't gained mainstream attention. He's done plenty of vlogs. But not all vloggers gain attention for their vlogs, see for example the article on h3h3 which doesn't have any content about their vlogs. wumbolo ^^^ 11:23, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Wumbolo: I think that due to Carter's refusal to either recycle content or put much emphasis (I mean dredge drama through them - the "easy" way) in anything other than Content Cop, is the main reason. Due to his at times controversial but mostly reserved content, I think unless he drops the usual drama bombshell that cannot be ignored (like AJP) mainstream media do not feel obliged to cover him, especially in light-hearted content like the vlogs. As for h3h3Productions, I think the sheer bulk of their vlog channel "Ethan and Hila" juxtaposed to their main one, is the reason why. Plus "Ethan and Hila" is not exclusively for vlogs, also containing reviews/reactions.

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mtv.co.uk article referencing Carter

I found this "article" referencing the iDubbbz vs Mongeau feud here (http://www.mtv.co.uk/youtubers/news/from-alfie-deyes-to-jeffree-starr-9-of-the-most-scandalous-youtube-feuds-of-all-time) from a journalistic standpoint it is trash, filled with grammatical errors and zero sources. However it's an article nonetheless (and with some name value). Could we implement this in some form or just add it as a complementary citation? It wouldn't hurt I think. Johndark93 (talk) 15:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2018

EditingEditer (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 16:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2018

He hase 7 million subscribers EditingEditer (talk) 20:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Danski454 (talk) 21:45, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2019

I would like to edit this post so I can add a post of Ian. Tringussmingus (talk) 05:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DannyS712 (talk) 05:57, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2019

How about adding a picture, might I request the one for Asian Jake Paul? (because that the only picture of iDubbbz/Boyinaband) 2605:A000:4986:7200:EC06:EBCC:B766:D40 (talk) 21:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: That image is copyrighted. Only copyright-free images are allowed to be used on articles of living people. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 00:10, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Birth date

There isn't any source that confirms his birth year is 1990. It's either 1990 or 1991, I don't think it has been confirmed yet. So I think that should be removed. BoltznNutz (talk) 02:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2019

In the 5th paragraph about Ricegum. It should be added that through out the entire Content Cop, Ian doesn't say RiceGum or call him by his actual name. CLMRSMN (talk) 21:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make (or why this information is important). Please make a precise request and provide reliable sources to verify any claims. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2020

I suggest that I should do a section on the current controversy with her girlfriend. Here are the sources. https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/hollywood-news/idubbbzs-girlfriend-anisa-jomha-is-now-a-paid-model.html https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/idubbbz-hits-back-at-fans-calling-him-a-simp-over-girlfriends-hobby-1346443 https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/pewdiepie-brings-back-pewnews-to-defend-idubbbz-amid-simp-controversy-1346686 https://www.insider.com/idubbbz-youtube-drama-simp-meaning-pewdiepie-2020-3 68.132.80.129 (talk) 22:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Sources are great, but if you want to add a section, you need to write it, with the sources being used. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 01:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2020

I would like to change his career section to add a subsection about his recent controversies. The controversies in question is about Ian's reputation and the controversies and allegations made towards him about his girlfriend. Pewdiepie has made a video about the allegations made against Ian.

https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment-news/hollywood-news/idubbbzs-girlfriend-anisa-jomha-is-now-a-paid-model.html https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/idubbbz-hits-back-at-fans-calling-him-a-simp-over-girlfriends-hobby-1346443 https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/pewdiepie-brings-back-pewnews-to-defend-idubbbz-amid-simp-controversy-1346686

https://www.thegamer.com/idubbbz-defends-girlfriend-onlyfans-sex-workers/ 68.132.80.129 (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Still  Not done for the exact same reason. If you want to add a section, you need to write it first and make the request to add it here. Edit requests must be precise. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2020

Please change his career section to add this subsection about his recent controversies.

Controversy

On March 9, 2020, Ian's girlfriend announced that she has a OnlyFans account. This immediately got him into controversy. His fans called him a simp, which means, according to Urban Dictionary, is "a man that puts himself in a subservient/submissive position under women in hopes of winning them over". Carter tweeted a response on March 15, with a picture of him with a bald head, saying "IM DONE, FUCKERS! IM DONE. NO MORE MR. NICE-SIMP". People continued to reply with jokes about him being a so called simp, teasing him on these questionable activities and because his girlfriend made an OnlyFans account to post amateur adult-content . On March 28, he released a reply video, which fans pointed out that some of the points were flawed, notably the one where he says that he's okay with guys masturbating to his girlfriend on the internet. PewDiePie, one of his former collaborators, released a video about the controversies with fair points about his defensive criticisms, ironically called Idubbbz Content Cop, further adding to the controversy.

68.132.80.129 (talk) 20:20, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Per the Neutral Point of View policy and the Manual of Style, Youtube fights are not generally worth separate "Controversy" sections. Particularly in situations such as this where the sources are almost entirely limited to non-RS. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:50, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2020

The Date at the end of the article says March 2003, but it should be 2020, not 2003 TwoVTwelves (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Already fixed – Thjarkur (talk) 18:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2020

add recent controvercy 213.109.220.109 (talk) 11:41, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)