Talk:Hythe, Alberta

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The map for Hythe, Alberta, is incorrect. The places of Hythe and Grande Prairie appear to be transposed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.170.45 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 22 August 2006

GP seems correctly located, but the Hythe star is where Fox Creek, Alberta should be.--Qyd 12:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering ....

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why you reverted this

On May 6, 2016 Tim and Bethani Webb of Hythe became the parents of identical quadruplet girls, the fifth set of quadruplets born in Alberta since 2004.

from Hythe, Alberta. In a town of 827, I doubt that anything more exciting every happened. I can get more refs (e.g. CBC) if you'd like, but what would be the point? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

It certainly may be exciting and interesting to those who live in Hythe, but as for general notability and its inclusion on Hythe's encyclopedia entry, that is another matter altogether. It comes across as a news report and such things generally are not noteworthy enough to be included. WP:NOTNEWS. There are more suitable places online to share information like this. Air.light (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I think you're missing something here. Notability is about whether the article should be included here, but there is no doubt that the town is notable. What to include in the article is ultimately a matter of consensus - what are the most important things about the subject? I can't think of anything more important to note about Hythe. The next set of identical quadruplets are not expected for another 15,000 years or so. I'll put it back, if you can find others who support your position please let's continue the discussion on the talk page. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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The edit comment that I have the onus to get consensus before I can include this material mystifies me. There's just 2 editors here, so you're saying that you have a veto on what goes into the article. Sorry, but I've been around here 11 years and have never seen that. Please quote chapter and verse of the rule you are talking about.

Now what would you accept as important enough to include in an article about a town of 827 people? There are less than 70 sets of identical quadruplets in the entire world.

I'll ping @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: simply because I know she has some interest in this area of the world. Feel free to bring in somebody who knows something about small towns into the discussion. And please leave the material in the article until a consensus has been reached. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

A question is, what does this really have to do with this town that it should be included on its encyclopedia page? This is more of a health and fertility subject or maybe a human interest one, not a municipal one. It sounds exactly like something you would read in the classifieds section of a newspaper, the announcement of a birth, even if humans don't usually have this many at once. There's so many other similar kinds of things that we could add to an article like this that would quickly change it from an article about a town to an article about interesting things that you may not have heard about yet. It cheapens the encyclopedic quality here. This isn't the proper place for it.

You speak of the needing of consensus to have your edit included, yet you edit war to keep it in without any consensus at all. Gaining consensus to have things added rather than working to have it removed... think about that. If things can be added without any consensus and people have to successfully argue to have it removed, then effectively no consensus is required for content addition at all, only removal. That's not how things work here. Articles would get pretty messy, pretty quickly that way. Air.light (talk) 03:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Chapter and verse please - you're accusing me of breaking a rule so you should at least tell me what rule I'm breaking. Also, please don't accuse me of editing warring. You've reverted me twice, I've reverted you twice. Who is edit warring? No article ownership please. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Quadruplets are rare. While it is routine for the news to report on rare events such as the birth of quads, whether fraternal or identical, it is not an enduringly notable fact for an encyclopedia that these quads exist or that they are associated with Hythe. It is WP:NOTNEWS and should be removed from the article. Many congrats to the (un)lucky parents. As a survivor of twins, I'm losing sleep for the parents already. Hwy43 (talk) 03:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for what type of thing you'd think should be included in an article about a town of 827 people. What you've allowed to stay in the article are:

• a newly renovated hockey arena,
• a covered outdoor swimming pool
• a motor speedway.
• it has an elementary school and a junior high school
• The Annual South Peace Centennial Museum Day
• an Agricultural Fair

Are these really more important to the town than identical quadruplets? The hockey arena and swimming pool will likely be dust in 50 years and the speedway long forgotten, but folks in town will still remember the identical quads, in fact they'll probably know several of them well. What's more enduring? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

A complete article about this community would include the sections listed at WP:CCSG and the types of things appropriate for each are summarized there. All the items you listed could easily fit under the sections of Arts and culture, Attractions and Education if they are properly referenced. They are attributes of the community and not news items. The article is nowhere near complete, is poorly organized and is poorly referenced, but all those things can be resolved. All the content listed could survive if referenced properly, though I would drop the "newly renovated" adjective for the arena as it will not be that forever. Hwy43 (talk) 07:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

• Right now, there's almost no history section. I would recommend expanding it, cf. some of the people and events mentioned here. Regarding the quads, I think it's reasonable to mention them, but I would recommend doing it in a way that ties them into the community, e.g. that the local hospital wasn't equipped to handle them, see here, or possibly volunteerism. For example:

• "Hythe is known for its volunteer initiatives, which have included raising $50,0000 in support of a local family with identical quadruplet girls."

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