Talk:Hyperion (Simmons novel)

Anti Hero?

How is The Shrike an Anti-hero? It is explicitly a villian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.99.214 (talk) 06:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The article about some random album named after it should be put into the cultural references below, doesn't need its own little bit. Also, of course Shrike is a bloody anti-hero, did you even read the book? Let alone its sequels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.105.98 (talk) 00:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. By the end of Book 4, the Shrike is an active protector of the hero Aenea and enemy of the true villains, the TechnoCore. It is an anti-hero because of its brutal methods and questionable motives, though those motives are ultimately revealed to be noble. Sithboy (talk) 00:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Very well then, the Shrike BECOMES an anti-hero, but in Hyperion and the Fall of Hyperion, he is very clearly a villian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.1.123 (talk) 22:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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Blooper

Near the beginning there is a mention of Wagner's "Flight of th Valkiries". The correct name is the Ride of the Valkiries. The author probably never saw the opera, otherwise, he couldn't have made such a ridiculous mistake. He probably had Coppola's movie in mind, where the Ride plays as helicopters fly... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.246.186.81 (talk) 17:47, 15 October 2011 (UTC) The result of the move request was: Pages Moved - Hyperion (novel) to Hyperion (Simmons novel), Endymion (Hyperion Cantos) to Endymion (Simmons novel)  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hyperion (novel) → Hyperion (Hyperion Cantos) — To disambiguate the connection between these books; To standardize the article titles. DriftingLeaf (talk) 04:50, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• The Fall of Hyperion → The Fall of Hyperion (Hyperion Cantos)
• The Rise of Endymion → The Rise of Endymion (Hyperion Cantos)

Survey

• Comment the fourth novel in the group is called Endymion (Hyperion Cantos). 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• ReplyYes it is.--DriftingLeaf (talk) 12:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

• Comment why move the other two? 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• ReplyBecause they are part of the same series (See dansimmons.com, amazon.com for evidence of this, as well as the talk page of Hyperion Cantos--DriftingLeaf (talk) 12:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Reply See WP:DAB - you do not disambiguate when there is no other article to disambiguate about. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 04:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Reply Well, as you point out below, there are many Hyperion 's, so this serves the dual purpose of highlighting just which Hyperion is connected to The Fall of Hyperion (disambiguation), and to reflect the connection of these two books, which have been printed together as a single volume. --DriftingLeaf (talk) 16:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

• Comment If you were going to go by the hatnote, this should be Hyperion (Simmons novel). 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• ReplyWell, not really, for the same reason we don't say The Bible (book), or Dan Simmons (person). I think its WP:POV that I am trying to reference here.--DriftingLeaf (talk) 12:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Reply the other novels named "Hyperion" have the authors attached, so, yes, really. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 04:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

• Reply That's a good point(no need to get touchy). (Either way though, the name of the article Hyperion (novel) gets changed, which it seems we both agree needs to happen.)--DriftingLeaf (talk) 16:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

• Rename Hyperion (novel) to Hyperion (Simmons novel), because there are other novels listed at Hyperion; rename Endymion (Hyperion Cantos) to Endymion (Simmons novel), because of the presence of another novel by that name; keep The Fall of Hyperion and The Rise of Hyperion as is, because these are not ambiguous. All this follows standard conventions regarding article titles. Ucucha 17:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
• Rename per Ucucha. The titles of the latter two novels should not be disambiguated if there is no other topic by that name. Propaniac (talk) 17:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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shorten the plot summary

“This article's plot summary may be too long or excessively detailed. Please help improve it by removing unnecessary details and making it more concise.” -- I totally agree with that. I think shrinking it to one third would be appropriate. But on the other hand I do not want to simply destroy the work somebody did with that excessive detailedness. So how to improve the article and save that part somehow at the same time? Any ideas out there? (Farin12 (talk) 14:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC))

Be bold! Having others edit your work is the nature of contributing to Wikipedia, so don't worry about hurting anyone's feelings. Cut it as you see fit; others may reinstate some of the content, and over time it will find its equilibrium. Any effort you make will be appreciated. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department: Please take a number} 16:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

i came from the 'Rise of Endymion' page--that plot summary is also far too long. there should be a "spoiler alert" before it, if nothing else. i don't have time to tackle either plot "summary," and i don't know the books, so not sure i would be a good person to edit them. (plus, i probably won't have to/want to read any of the books after reading the plot "summaries" here.)Colbey84 (talk) 05:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)