Talk:Hypericum formosissimum/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Fritzmann2002 (talk · contribs) 19:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Eewilson (talk · contribs) 03:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

If you aren't already, I encourage you to study, question, follow, and defend (during reviews) the Taxon template at the WikiProject Plants (Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Template).

Lead

In the Lead, Wikilink "species", "petal"s, "rare" (link to "rare species"), "habitat", "genus", "first described" (link to "Species description"), "section".
"a pillow-like shape"? What does this mean? Is there a botanical term to use here?
Before the first use of Takhtajan's name, say "Soviet-Armenian botanist".
Same with Robson, say "English botanist".
When it says, "Robson placed the species in a Hypericum huber-morathii group within Adenosepalum alongside several related species", does that mean Robson placed it within the group in the section Adenosepalum? If so, add "the section" there.
I think we're fine to go ahead and Wikilink the three countries. Continents, no. Countries, yes, especially these smaller European countries. Do that on first use in the body as well.
We may change the Lead a bit more before we're finished.

Infobox

Needs a distribution map (| range_map =, | range_map_alt =, | range_map_caption =). At the end of the range_map_caption parameter, add a citation (or multiple) for where the information was acquired for the distribution map.
Botanical binomials do not include the year.
At the end of the Authority parameter, tag on a citation (| authority = [[Armen Takhtajan|Takht.]]<<citation>>).
Need to set synonyms reference (| synonyms_ref = <<citation>>).

Etymology

Use the {{Lang}} template for "bitlis kantaronu" (assuming this is the Turkish spelling?). This is for screen readers for the visually impaired.
Wikilink [[Anatolia]]n.

Description (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Plants/Template#Morphology)

Two sources for terminology include Glossary of leaf morphology and Glossary of botanical terms (and for real fun, Glossary of plant morphology, Inflorescence, Plant morphology).

First use of cm and in (and other measurements) should always be spelled out – will need to use {{Convert}} template with parameter |abbr=off. You should probably use the {{Convert}} template in all cases, changing the parameter settings accordingly.
For Plants articles, use botanical terms with a Wikilink on them. You can put a short explanation in parentheses.
- lacks small hairs on its surfaces
- grows in a pillow-like shape
- Leafstalk [this is two words] – use [[Petiole (botany)|petiole]] (leaf stalk)
- "have blades that are" – use laminae (blades) and Wikilink to Lamina (leaf) [[Lamina (leaf)|laminae]] (blades)
- rounded tip and flattened base
- spaced out across the surface of the leaf
- Flower cluster – use and link inflorescence and can put flower cluster in parens
- no pointed tip
- [any others]
Roots? Taproot or adventitious? Fibrous? Any rhizomes?
Wikilink [[Node (botany)|nodes]]
Petiole characteristics (for help, see Leaf#Characteristics of the petiole)
link [[Gland (botany)|glands]]
What do the amber glands on the leaves excrete? What do the black glands on the leaves excrete?
Leaves – opposite, alternate, or whorled?
Leaf margins – Entire? Toothed? Etc? (see Glossary of leaf morphology)
Leaves simple, compound, pinnate, etc.? (See Leaf#Divisions of the blade). Veins? Other characteristics?
"has between one and five flowers from a single node" Do you mean like a leaf node? And, if not, what would be the better term?
"The flowers are 1.0–1.2 cm (0.39–0.47 in) wide and are surrounded by small bract-like structures with black glands." – I don't understand what the part I italicized is supposed to mean. Explain.
What do those black glands (in previous bullet point) excrete?
How many petals on each flower?
How are the petals arranged?
black glands on the petals – what do these excrete?
Link "stamens"
"The styles are two or three times as long as the ovary" – clearer to say "longer than the ovary" if that's what this means
How many seeds per capsule?
"The seeds are brown and 0.1–0.3 cm (0.039–0.118 in) long." Okay, so if the measurement is for length, then that makes me think the seeds are not round but are oblong or linear or something to which length would apply. What shape are the seeds?
No chromosome count?
"only pseudohypericin, but at similar levels to other related species like...." – so the pseudohypericin is at the similar levels of the pseudohypericin in the related species?
Some people will say don't combine cm/mm/m within an article – be consistent all the way through. This would mean that all mm should be changed to cm, or vice versa, etc. However, smaller measurement units are often used in a species diagnosis in a flora. In the Description, which you source from the 2013 online edition of the monologue at https://hypericum.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term/977, Robson, et. al., use m (metres) for the height and mm (millimetres) for all other measurements. Shouldn't we do the same (with the understanding that it is okay to convert to feet and inches using the Convert template)? Please let me know if you have contradictory information from Wikipedia reviews or seen something contradictory to this in a policy.

Taxonomy

Where was the holotype found and where are it and any other types stored now?
"first described" (link to "Species description")
"This name was illegitimate, because Carl Sigismund Kunth" – citation after "illegitimate"
The sentence "The name was also illegitimately used by Asa Gray in 1853 to describe Hypericum scouleri.[11]" is beyond the scope of this article and would be better placed in both the H. formosum and H. scouleri articles.
No Russian article for Zametki po Sistematike i Geografii Rastenii seems to exist, so we get a red link for English and if we click on the Interlanguage link for ru, we get a page to create the article on that Wiki. Is it possible it exists in English or in Russian under a different name? Is it possible an article exists on another language's Wikipedia? I'm not sure what to do here, but it shouldn't stand as it is.
At the beginning of the second paragraph, maybe an intro sentence saying English botanist Norman Robson published a comprehensive monograph of the genus Hypericum then following up with the part about these species being excluded. So rework that a bit.
"originally excluded in error from a comprehensive monograph of the genus" – Did Robson actually say it was an error? If so, after "excluded in error", cite the source where he says that. Also, excluded when? What year was that monograph from which they were excluded?
"A later edition in 1996" – redundant ("A 1996 edition" would be fine.) Also, what is this a 1996 edition of?
"discussed the morphology and relationships of H. formosissimum." – "relationships of" doesn't make sense to me. What's it saying here?
"Robson acknowledged that it and the two other excluded species should have been included in his treatment of sect. Adenosepalum, but then he advocated for their inclusion in sect. Origanifolia based on the structure of their vittae which would relate them most closely to Hypericum aviculariifolium in the latter section." – this is an awfully long and hard to follow sentence. Can you break it up?
The last sentence of the second paragraph is referencing the 1993 publication as if it happened after 1996. Can you rearrange and make sure it's all chronological and makes sense?
"Further complicating the contradiction" – I don't see it as a complication. He just decided to place it in the Huber-morathii group in the 2013 publication and didn't specifically announce that he did that. I don't think that's unusual. Maybe look at your wording here.
Finally, after all of that, please read this section all again and try to remove any redundant wording you see. I will go over it again after that.
In the tree, "Huber-Morathii Group", use sentence case.

Distribution, habitat, and ecology

Break up this section into four. This is contrary to what some reviewers at FAC may recommend, as the sections may be short, but it is generally a practice for Plants articles (see the Taxon template).
- Distribution and habitat
- Ecology
- Conservation
- Gardening (or Cultivation, but the former probably better applies here)
Elevation should convert from meters to feet, not meters to yards. Use the {{Convert}} template.
"The village of Bozdağ, which is the type locality for Hypericum minutumIn Turkey, it is only found in the Yukarı Murat-Van [tr] region of eastern Anatolia."
- Is using Hypericum minutum an error here?
- There are a few typos as well.
Is there an Armenian Wikipedia? Does it have an article for the Red Data Book of Armenia that we can use Ill with?
"When cultivating the plant, it is grown in" – that reads funny. Reword.

Citations

Add archive links at archive.org for the web sources and use them in the citation templates.
The following citation gives me a big red 404 error with a message in Turkish that translates to "No category found Please try one of the following pages: Homepage".
- "Bitlis kantaronu". Bizim Bitkiler. Retrieved 10 September 2024.

First round done. Please review and make changes or comments or ask questions. Thanks! – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 20:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail: