Talk:Hurlbat

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Gents, I would still like a source that tells me about hurlbats being in use in Europe during the late Middle Ages or the early Modern Era. Trigaranus (talk) 23:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Most sources define "hurlbat" or "whirlbat" as any object thrown or swung with a whirling or circular motion. The depiction of the word as a specific type of object and its description as "a ranged weapon" causes me to think this was "borrowed" from a role-playing game and has no real factual basis. 71.200.134.47 (talk) 12:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the unsupported references to its use in the Late Middle Ages and the Early Modern Age. Any sources produced may of course lead to having this reintroduced. Best, Trigaranus (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to the reason for removal of the dispute template, the disputed material has not been deleted, "provisorically" (not an actual word) or any other way. The dispute is that a hurlbat is generically ANY object thrown, usually in a circular motion (a stance supported by several dictionaries), which is in opposition to the thrust of this article which insists that it is a specific type of axe. The article is completely unsourced, and makes suspiciously specific statements about the nature of the item ("six millimeters thick") without support. The first of two external links is stated to be about axe throwing; this is false, the site is about all manually powered projectiles, and nowhere is the word "hurlbat" used in the entire site. The second external link is to a school project created by students, contains no verifiable sources, and no explanation of where the rather crude drawing originated or what factual evidence led to its creation. The sorts of sites that I would normally consider as "backups" in lieu of more qualified scholarly exposition are myarmoury.com and the ARMA website, provide limited help: myarmoury.com has no information regarding hurlbats at all, and the only use of the word at ARMA is in a user forum thread that provides no basis for the use of the term. IMO this article is a candidate for AfD, as the little information it provides appears to be entirely spurious. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 22:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - this article needs to be deleted posthaste. It's probably some stupid kid who thinks because he saw it on a video game that it must be real. Meanwhile, other ...impressionable... individuals are reading this article, and the web of misinformation is continually growing wider. Axe it now, I say. 141.225.224.240 (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The term hurlbat may well be modern, I'm not sure, but the weapon itself certainly existed. See e.g. http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=20219 Megalophias (talk) 16:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a real (and quite specific) weapon, neither a club nor an axe per se (some are axe-like, but most are not) and you made a mistake by defacing the article, doing a disservice to the 'impressionable' people you think are reading the article. The hurlbat was mentioned in legal records in Germany (requiring certain people to leave them in taverns and town gates before going out on the streets) as far back as the 14th Century, these are quoted by Professor Ann Tlusty in her Martial Ethic in Early Modern Germany. If I have time I'll post the page numbers but I can't be bothered to edit the wiki. You can also find them periodically on auction houses which sell authentic antique weapons such as Hermann Historica, and there are examples in dozens of European museums and castles.

If you would have left the article alone it would have probably accumulated the various references and sources over time, it seemed to be gradually getting more accurate unlike a lot of articles on pre-industrial weapons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.1.191.34 (talk) 20:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]