Talk:Hundred Years' Croatian–Ottoman War

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Is this correct ?

Croatian - Ottoman wars?? Lol. Ottomans never knew who Croat were :) They confronted supreme Hungarian king, and he had in his army, majority of Hungarians, Croats, Slovaks, Serbs, Czechs etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.237.220.215 (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong.

Croatian nobility had their own army, which they could sent to the service of king if he calls them. Croatia had its own ban (viceroy), its own parliament and ban of Croatia commanded his own army which was in charge of defense of Croatia. Check situation described when Ivan Karlović was ban of Croatia.

To respond to your remark that Ottomans never knowing who the Croats were, here's what 16th century Turkish historian Hoca Sadeddin Efendi in his Crown of histories wrote: "at that time in Croatian eyallet, which is a borderland lying between Hungary and Bosnia, there were two viceroys..." - this clearly shows that contemporary Ottomans made distinctions between what was land of Hungary, Croatia or Bosnia.

Croatia was in union with the Hungary making it the same country, but was also a kingdom on its own, with its own sense of identity. Croatis even had some sort of proto-national identity. Check what 15th century Croatian scribe Father Martinac wrote: "And by taking Greece and Bulgaria, Bosnia and Albania, [Turks] flocked onto people of Croatia by sending many armies. Many warlords started frequent battles with Christian people fighting on the fields and in mountain passes and on river fords. That's when all Croatian and Slavic lands were enslaved all the way to Sava river and Drava and even Mons Claudius, all settlements of Carniola all the way to sea, by enslaving, robbing, burning houses of God and crushing Lord's altars."

Please, do not be condescending. Franjo Tahy (talk) 09:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More importantly, check 1527 election in Cetin and Cetingrad charter. Franjo Tahy (talk) 09:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Nevertheless the Muslim Ottoman Empire occupied most parts of Croatia from the 15th to the 19th centuries."

Wrong heading

How can we speak about Croatian - Ottoman wars anyway? There was no existing croatian state at that time, some nowadays croatian districts were part of Hungary and later Austria, and some were parts of Venice republic. Also Hungarian state after Matthias Corvinus was in chaos. We can discuss only about Habsburg - Ottoman wars or in the first phase about Hungarian - Ottoman wars. Even before this phase there was a phase of Serbian - Ottoman wars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.151.144.202 (talk) 14:23, 21 February 2017 (UTC) This statement at the end of the opening section would appear to be incorrect. Slavonia, with is about 25% of Croatia, was occupied by the Turks for 110 years, and the rest of Croatia was hardly occupied by them at all. The assertion that "most parts of Croatia" were occupied for 400 years, is absurd.Lathamibird (talk) 20:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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What Croatian-Ottoman wars? Croatia hasn't existed in times when Ottomans arrived to western Balkan. At that time Croatia was ruled 3 centuries by Hungarians, Venice. Those were Hungarian-Ottoman wars, or Habsburg-Ottoman wars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.237.221.162 (talk) 13:35, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it did and there's even a proof of it in the article itself - The Cetingrad Charter. See 1527 election in Cetin. Franjo Tahy (talk) 21:01, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New Pictures Collage on The Page Template

So, @Vbbanaz05 added a new pictures collage on the template. I don't mind having collage as such on the template, but I don't quite like the idea of having 19th century romanticised depictions of various battles on it. Instead, I would try to stick more to depictions that are chronologically closer to the actual event. Franjo Tahy (talk) 20:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, but I worked hard on this. And I think it was very nice. But it's your decision... Thank you Vbbanaz05 (talk) 05:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vbbanaz05 and I commend your effort, I would just use different images because romanticized depictions were made centuries later and often their purpose was to inspire great national narratives. Instead, I would suggest replacing romanticized paintings with some of these:

-Contemporary Ottoman depiction of 1592 Siege of Bihać

-Contemporary German depiction of 1592 Battle of Brest

I would also avoid depictions of Siege of Szigetvar and Battle of Mohacs (despite Croatians participating in Siege of Szigetvar and the event having place in Croatian national memory) because they did not took place in Croatia, but in Hungary. Franjo Tahy (talk) 07:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay thank you :) Vbbanaz05 (talk) 08:24, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]