Talk:Hugh Aston
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Composer project review
[edit]I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is B-class; its main defects are an incomplete works list, no images, and a lack of inline citations. My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 13:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Merger with Hugh Aston
[edit]The merger should NOT take place. The authoritative History of Parliament website says that "He appears, however, to have been unrelated to either of the famous Hugh Astons, clerics and scholars, of Oxford and Cambridge" [1]
It may yet be proved that they are one and the same person but until then - leave sleeping dogs lie. Plucas58 (talk) 12:14, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Assessment comment
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| ==Composers Project Assessment of Hugh Aston: 2009-01-15==
This is an assessment of article Hugh Aston by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by {{{user}}}. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
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===Summary=== Another very brief article about a poorly-documented Renaissance composer. The works listing is clearly incomplete. The article could be bulked a little by discussing what sorts of records exist about him (what sort of documents show where he was when). The article's few uncited paragraphs could use citation; it also would benefit from a image of some sort. Article is b-class. Magic♪piano 13:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC) | |
Last edited at 18:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 18:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
2020 article by Patrick Boylan
[edit]The 2020 volume of the Transactions of the Leicestershire Archaeological and Historical Society contains a substantial scholarly and peer-reviewed article by Patrick J Boylan on the identity of Hugh Aston (TLAHS vol 94, pp115-142). It provides major research updates on his biography, and answers some of the uncertainties reflected in this wikipedia article. I am proposing to write in Aston's biography as set out in the TLAHS journal. Key amongst these details is compelling evidence that the Organist/Composer and the Alderman/Mayor/MP are the same person. The timeline set out in the journal is as follows:-
- born in Leicester in 1485, son of Alderman Robert Aston
- 1493-1502: Boy Choristor in The Newarke College
- 1502-10: Student in Oxford
- 1510-17: undocumented
- 1517: Back in Leicester and admitted as a freeman of the town, and possibly already Newarke organist
- 1520/21: working with various midlands churches on organs and choral institutions, potentially alongside his Newarke post
- 1525: gave evidence during visitation to The Newarke College
- 1526: turned down an offer from Cardinal College, Oxford, preferring to stay in Leicester
- 1530/31: elected to 'the twenty-four', his first Leicester civic appointment
- 1541/2: served as mayor of the town
- 1544: Closing of the Newarke college> Hugh retained his substantial stipend and continuing use of the official residence.
- 1555: elected as one of the two Leicester Members of Parliament
- November 1558: died, and buried at St Margaret's
My proposal would be that this wikipedia article should reflect these biographical details, but also include a section that shows the previously published suggestion of two different Hugh Astons, and set out some of the Boylan evidence for there being just one. RobinLeicester (talk) 22:41, 30 December 2020 (UTC)