Talk:Hudson Street (Manhattan)

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Speedy Deletion

a: Please give me more than five minutes to write this article.

b: Hudson Street (at least the southern part) is a major thoroughfare in southern Manhattan. It is essentially the southern part of 8th Avenue, and 8th Avenue has an article. There are also several notable places along it that I have just added. -- BlastOButter42 ^See Hear _Speak 21:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am also baffled by the tagging for speedy delete within 5 minutes of the creation of the article. Hudson Street is a major north-south street in Lower Manhattan, one of the nearly 100 Manhattan streets and avenues for which articles have been created included in the Category:Streets in Manhattan. Per WP:AFDP, "City streets are contested" and this article is an exceedingly poor candidate for WP:CSD, which states "The "Speedy deletion" policy governs limited cases where Wikipedia administrators may delete Wikipedia pages or media "on sight" without further debate, as in the cases of patent nonsense or pure vandalism.... Before nominating an article for speedy deletion, please consider whether an article could be improved or reduced to a stub. Also, please note that some Wikipedians create articles in multiple saves, so try to avoid deleting a page too soon after its initial creation." which contradicts virtually every single aspect of this attempt at speedy deletion. If based on your knowledge of New York City geography you are still certain that this article is "patent nonsense" and could never be expanded to meet Wikipedia criteria of notability, I encourage you to pursue this article through the AfD process. Alansohn 23:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- I have also added some information. There are many historic buildings and landmarks, famous residents, etc. that make the street notable. --Aude (talk) 23:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was too quick in tagging the article with a speedy delete tag - Although it should go to AfD, should no notability be established. I've tagged {{notability}} in the mean time. Regarding the speedy delete - the {{hangon}} tag means that the article is no longer a candidate by default - the act of claiming notability is enough. Princess Tiswas 00:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notablilty

If no one objects i'm going to remove the notablilty tag also. I think we've pretty clearly established that the street is in fact notable, especially with articles about all Manhattan avenues and many streets all considered notable. It's also linked to by 13 other articles and another 5 link to Hudson Street, the redirect page i just created. -- BlastOButter42 ^See Hear _Speak 02:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I take it back, the 5 links to "Hudson Street" weren't for the street, they were for a TV show called "Hudson Street" (I've changed the page Hudson Street to a disambiguation page). However 13 is still a pretty good number. -- BlastOButter42 ^See Hear _Speak 02:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two streets?

The article describes Hudson Street as being two different streets because of traffic direction. I doubt that is the case. It is like saying Third Avenue becomes a different street at 24th Street because it is two-way to the south and one-way to the north. Tinlinkin 08:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I decided to describe it as being two streets because I thought it would be easier to explain about the intersection and direction change, and while it may not technically be two streets, treating it this way, I hope, provides more clarity. Besides, though they do come together at the same intersection, one runs into 8th Avenue and the other into Bleecker street, at right angles, so some might interpret them to be separate streets. However, if you can think of a way to describe it as one street that is clear, please do put it in, because it would probably be more accurate. -- BlastOButter42 ^See Hear _Speak 08:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Had the street been discontinuous, then there could be an argument for separate streets (e.g. the interruption of Greenwich Street when the World Trade Center was built). But here, it didn't make sense to me. I'll look again at the article in the near future, but I think there is a better way to describe traffic flow. Tinlinkin 11:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's good, I like the way you describe it. -- BlastOButter42 ^See Hear _Speak 20:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]