Talk:Howard Beach racial attack

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On 4 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Howard Beach racial incident. The result of the discussion was Moved to Howard Beach racial attack.

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This article relates to an infamous 1980s new york incident that received intense press coverage at the time. It should be changed to reflect more than just the name of the victim. I'll try to think of something, but it should have "Howard Beach" in the title. Coretheapple (talk) 20:06, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since nobody objects, I'm going to rename it. Coretheapple (talk) 20:21, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Erroneous and Libelous Title

On January 11, 2019, the title of this page was change from the "Howard Beach Racial Incident" to "Killing of Michael Griffith". On February 19, 2019, the title was changed again to "The Murder of Michael Griffith". This title is not only factually wrong, but is contradicted by the text of the article. For example:

"While trying to evade his attackers, Griffith ran in front of a moving car driven by the son of a police officer, and was killed. His body was found on the Belt Parkway at 1:03 a.m."

The title is also potentially libelous in using the term 'murder' because that implies that the death of Michael Griffith was intentional on the part of Dominick Blum. Mr. Blum was not a part of the original altercation and was a bystander that happened to be driving on the Belt Parkway when Michael Griffith tried to run across the highway. There is no evidence that Michael Griffith's death was anything but accidental. No charges were brought against Mr. Blum as stated in the article:

"The driver of the car that struck Griffith, 24-year-old Dominick Blum, was not charged with any crime; a May 1987 grand jury did not return criminal charges against him."

It is requested that the title of the article be reverted back to "Howard Beach Racial Incident" or changed to "The Howard Beach Incident" as it is known locally by those of us who remember it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.18.45 (talk) 02:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that since no one was convicted of murder, that word should not be in the title of the article. But I think the title should revert to Killing of Michael Griffith. I tried to undo the edit that moved it to Murder... but I was barred from doing so because I'm an IP editor. —⁠99.203.54.139 (talk) 12:29, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Howard Beach racial attack. Consensus on having a stronger form. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 04:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Howard Beach incident → Howard Beach racial incident – This has been moved around a few times without discussion, but "Howard Beach racial incident" was the stable title for a number of years, so I'm recommending moving it back to that. The current "Howard Beach incident" is too vague. 162 etc. (talk) 21:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The standalone "incident" is indeed too vague. If consensus skews toward the use of main title headers Death of Michael Griffith or Killing of Michael Griffith, I would support either form. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support; move to Howard Beach racial attack or per nom or Roman Spinner. (The New York Times used "racial attack" here and the Los Angeles Times used "Howard Beach racial attack" here.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:08, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I would also support the stronger form, Howard Beach incident → Howard Beach racial attack, per BarrelProof. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.