Talk:Hover ad

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Copyright explanation

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Currently[1], this article contains text copied from [2]. According to that page, the text is "Copyright (c) 2006, Svetoslaav Zabunov", and "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts." Therefore, it may be used on Wikipedia. —Centrx→talk • 04:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization

As with pop-up ad, "hover ad" does not need to be capitalized. I'm moving the article to Hover ad, but we'll still need to fix the capitalization issues in the article. --Lethargy 12:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, wasn't logged in. --Lethargy 12:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a loss

There is no point trying to fix up this article. It turns out the entire thing was just a cut-and-paste from a web-site hawking "hover pop-up generator" software. I'll delete this and set it to redirect to pop-up ad, which appears to at least be trying to be encyclopedic. --Ben 09:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For comparison to the so-called article, here are the contents (as of August 20, 2006) of the original advertisement at http://popup-toolkit.com/articles/artistic-popup-approach.html

           From Annoyance to Pleasure - The Artistic Popup Approach
                                 May 12, 2006
                             by Svetoslav Zabunov

Background

  Being the most effective form of web advertising, pop-up ads acquired a
  prominent share of online advertising solutions and technologies. The
  first Internet popups were created using the window.open() JavaScript
  function, which opens a new browser window. The advertising content was
  presented in the window as HTML content loaded from a web address. These
  popups were easily blocked by popup blockers and web advertising
  specialists started looking for ways to show the user ads. Thus they
  started using Macromedia Flash and hover ads. This variety of popups tend
  to be hard to block and thus gain large interest among advertisers.

Technology

  Hover ads are developed around several web browser technologies but in the
  centre of their realization is utilized the so called modern form of HTML
  * DHTML. DHTML is a synthesis between HTML language and JavaScript
  language. Using JavaScript, certain levels and objects of the browser*s
  DOM are manipulated to produce window-like visual DHTML elements
  representing hover ads or hover ad windows. The basic attribute used is a
  CSS HTML element attribute - position. Modern browsers implement cascading
  style sheets in order to separate presentation from content. The CSS
  technology also enables the JavaScript content of a web page to manipulate
  programmatically CSS attributes of various HTML elements constituting the
  web page's content. The first movable HTML elements were introduced in
  Netscape 4 with the so called layer technology. Now it has been
  deprecated. Hover ads tend to be very hard to block by popup blocking
  software because the hover ad window is an integral part of the HTML
  content of the web page. Thus a software filtering the content has no
  algorithmical means of recognizing and removing parts of the content,
  either descriptive or procedural, that create, populate and manipulate the
  hover ad's window.

                                 Recent works

  Being still one of the most efficient web advertising technologies, popup
  ads and popup generator applications experience constant development and
  improvement. Developers attempt to produce popup generators, which create
  popup ads that are pleasant to the viewer instead of annoying ones. These
  generators create the so-called Hover Ads or Hover Ad Windows. The major
  technology used to produce these ads is JavaScript along with other new
  web techniques. These popups represent normal web browser content also
  called DHTML content and avoid opening new browser windows. Modern popup
  generators utilize visual effects that are considered more likeable, which
  tends to stabilize the effectiveness of this sort of Internet advertising
  - Popup Toolkit.

Doesn't this mean that the page needs to be flagged with Template:Copyvio? --Lethargy 23:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, Lethargy. My apologies. I will revert and do that now. Ben 00:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Adverse Opinion

Creating a separate article about Hover Ads is in deed needed as these types of web advertisements are quite different from popups and they tend to deliver a principally diverse approach to web ads - a non annoying, non-obtrusive and non-SPAM approach. The latter is guaranteed by the ordinal technology used, not allowing the hover ad webmaster user to block/tie/spam the web visitor with the well known chain of self opening popup ads. This very technological hole of chain popup creation lead to classifying popup as spam, quite justified.

The other point on separating hover ads from popups is their totally different technological and thus visual and presentational bases, compared to popups. They are practically and theoretically more close to banner advertisements as both approaches are realized using the DHTML/JavaScript client side web programming capabilities, putting both ad brands to be part of the HTML content itself instead of utilizing operating system window-like capabilities for obtaining extra visual estate in new windows from the visitors resources.

About commercial links, I agree and will follow this wikipedia policy. The only links I would provide are not advertising in their nature, but rather presenting thorough and exhaustive examples of the described technologies.

Szabunov 19:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About copyright dispute

See the referral article here: http://popup-toolkit.com/articles/artistic-popup-approach.html

The hover ad article is not a copy of the latter, also, note the permition by author at the bottom.

Szabunov 09:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References and NPOV

I do not like the second reference. The point of view expressed there is far from neutral. It should be noted in the relevant section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.70.50.117 (talk) 13:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Example at popup-toolkit.com removed

I removed a link to http://popup-toolkit.com/hover_ads_examples/

The code there, whilst a good example, can crash browsers.

That problem was highlighted by an anon user on Helpdesk, [3]. So, I have removed the link [4]. Of course, discuss below. Best, Chzz ► 21:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be commercial spam anyway.TMCk (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]