Talk:House of Nassau-Weilburg

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Charlotte --> Jean --> Henri That's mother to son to son, which is not matrilineal, it's bilineal.

http://www.gouvernement.lu/publications/grandduc/ap_famille_gdl/ap_famille_gdl_GB_DEF.pdf Here's a link an official Luxembourg page that says, "Grand Duke Henri, the sixth sovereign of the Nassau-Weilburg dynasty". If the Grand Duke considers himself part of a particular dynasty, to which he is related cognatically through his father and his grandmother, why should Wikipedia presume to say that that is not the dynasty to which he belongs? Ariadne55 (talk) 21:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It went through A MATERNAL LINE. There is nothing ambiguous about that whatsoever, all it means it went from a mother to a son at one point. It is very clear. I am convinced that you are just aiming in the dark trying to apply terminology that you do not fully understand. The current House of Nassau in Luxembourg, of which Henri is head, is a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon, of which Henri is a junior member. Wikipedia is not presuming that he is not a member of the House of Nassau-Weilburg but he is descended from it via a female line. Bilineal and bilateral are NOT the words to use. Charles 21:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was Jean's maternal line, but it was Henri's paternal line. What else would you call it when a line has passed through both men and women? Yes, you are presuming that he is not a member of the House of Nassau-Weilburg when you change the page from saying that he is a member of that house to saying that he is descended from it. You may consider him head of a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon, but his own government's page says he is "the sixth sovereign of the Nassau-Weilburg dynasty". Ariadne55 (talk) 21:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is still a female line when it is issued through one or more females, meaning specifically that it is not in the male line. He is descended from the first House of Nassau-Weilburg and a member of the second. His own page, of course, will force a POV that may not be in line with genealogical fact. Houses describe groups of agnates. Henri and his grandmother are not agnates because Henri is a female-line (note, not direct female line) descendant of her agnatic ancestors. I consider Henri to be head of his own house while still being a junior member of another. The same is true of the Windsors with regard first to the House of Wettin and then to the House of Oldenburg. A dynasty and a house are not the same thing, by the way. Charles 21:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Charles, this should be chnaged back to in the female line. Note that it's only in theory his own government, we the people have a little more say than he does.--Caranorn (talk) 22:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]