Talk:House of Moana

Moving

Why did you copy and paste when moving this article? The entire history of the disambiguation page was lost in the process. I asked an administrator ‎to fix the history of these pages. I am questioning if this is even the primary topic. I feel like you should have create a request move asking other users if this was the primary topic when you sought out to make this article. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Kaleiheana

Kaleiheana, the daughter of Kauaua-a-Mahi and Kepookapuokalani [1], and thus a half-sister of Alapainui, and Kaleiheana, the wife of Keākealani Kāne, don't seem to be the same person. The two sources aren't connected either so there is no idea if they are referring to the same individuals. The Utah Genealogical and Historical Magazine states a woman named Kaleiheana was Alapainui's half-sister her genealogy is here while Terry Young's source (below) speculates the identity of Kaleiheana, the wife of Keākealani Kāne. There is also a male by the name of Kaleiheana [2] who lived during the period of the Kingdom.

Her status as an ipo with little or no rank is inferred because no one named Kaleiheana is shown on any Ali 'i Nui mo'oku'auhau that have survived in written form till today. It is possible Kaleiheana was the sister of another noho partner of Keakealani kane's, Kaleimakali'i. She was a lesser ranked chiefess whose lineage traces to the eldest son of 'Umi, whereas the lineage of Keakealani kane finds its way back to 'Umi as well, through another of his sons, Keawenuiaumi.45 Other inferences are possible. The prefix "Kalei-" in each of the names allows for speculation that Kaleiheana and Kaleimakali'i were related. It was rather common for siblings' names to share the same prefix or suffix with a different sobriquet identifying them individually. Also, some mo'oku'auhau of the kaukau ali'i only show the hiapo (eldest member of a sibling or generational group) as succession falls to the eldest in terms of furthering the line.46 That being the case, Kaleimakali'i was probably the elder of the two, assuming she and Kaleiheana were siblings. And as the younger sibling, Kaleiheana may not have been retained on the mo'oku'auhau perhaps even in a recitation of the ko 'ihonua. Kaleiheana's name would, instead emerge only as a tertiary noho partner of Keakealani kane, in recognition of his importance as a Mo'i.

Also "From Liloa's first born son Hakau, Kaleiheana is descended." - the source used linked to Young's book states that her speculated sister Kaleimakalii and thus her also were descendants from Umi's eldest son (which is Keliiokaloa, not Hakau who is the eldest son of Liloa not Umi). --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I am getting Mark Miller's train of thought now. McKensie does outline Kaleiheana's (Alapainui's half-sister and wife) descent from Hakau. But all the sources talking about this Kaleiheana (from the lineage of the Mahi) does not mention her as also the wife of Keākealani Kāne.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:39, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

User:Berni0430 now claims that Kalaaiheana (diff spelling) was a Ninau Pio chiefess and daughter of Kuahuia, a ruling chief of Hilo ("A Book of the Lineages of Chiefs" prepared for Liliuokalani by the court genealogist Lilikalani). Kuahuia was a grandson of 'I, alive during the reign of Keākealani Kāne's granddaughter.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC) Note by Berni0430: Kalaaiheana was also called Kaleiheana in some genealogies. She was the daughter of Kuaana-a-I and grand-daughter of I (k) .

What we have now are sources talking about:

1. a wife/half-sister of Alapainui, who was descended from Hakau, and mother of Koaokalani with Alapainui according to the DeFries genealogy. (McKensie; Anthon Henrik Lund; Nephi Anderson)
2. a third wife of Keākealani Kāne and mother of Moana Kāne, who Kanalu G. Terry Young claims nothing is known about and speculates to be related to Kaleimakali'i, who was another wife of Keākealani Kāne and was a descendant of the eldest son of Umi. (Young)
3. a Ninau Pio chiefess and daughter of Kuahuia (chief of Hilo) mentioned in (Edward Kamakau) Lilikalani's genealogy book as cited by User:Berni0430.

I am speculating that it is unlikely that all these sources are talking about the same person because Alapainui was the great-great grandson of Keākealani Kāne. Although unlikely, you can argue that a woman could be old enough to bear a child with their half-brother's great-great grandfather. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Also one more problem with the current tree. A line connects Keākealani Kāne to Iwikauikaua. Keākealani Kāne (with Kealiʻiokalani) was the father of Keakamahana not Iwikauikaua. Iwikauikaua was a descendant of Umi's eldest son.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

The are a lot of different subjects with similar names but the one thing for certain and is found in the original genealogies used for the mahele as well and many other sources, Kaleiheana is the wife of Keākealani Kāne and the father of Moana Kane.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:37, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The tree needs attention, no doubt. That needs to be addressed.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Moe + ana

Is there any reference to the breakdown of moana somehow connected to moe + ana? 2600:1700:4640:43D0:F040:46E8:9653:FC4 (talk) 02:00, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Nāʻēʻā

Interesting how Nāʻēʻā was not mention as a child of Eia & Kauwā. 99.23.241.79 (talk) 02:30, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

This is because Naea’s parents are listed as Kamaunu and Kukaeleiki. Sources that do claim Naea and Kanaina are brothers leave out any mention of Bennett Nāmākēhā who was a brother of Naea as attested by contemporary sources. Is there contemporary sources claiming these two men were brothers?KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:25, 7 September 2018 (UTC)