Talk:Hougang MRT station/GA1

GA Review

Passed. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 03:52, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Brachy0008 (talk · contribs) 01:01, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ZKang123? Brachy08 _(Talk) 00:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I will be reviewing this article. However, I may have found some errors that might not make it a GA:

FNs 38-40 can be merged.
More sources needed for Art in Transit section.
Lead can be expanded
Explain what a Civil Defence shelter is, like in MacPherson MRT station
Uncurl the quotation marks in the lead.
Link "Old Folk's Home"
Replace/remove FN11

There might be more I have not found. Btw, I put several [citation needed]s. I’ll put it on hold for the time being. If issues found are not fixed by 8 August, I would have no choice but to fail it, unless you need more time to do so.

I rather you do not review further GANs in the future because you're inexperienced and don't know too much of the criteria. Henceforth, I disagreed with most of the proposed changes above.
"FNs 38-40 can be merged" for example is not a criterion, and the GA criteria don't require every single sentence to be sourced at the very end of the sentence
Besides LTA and the official NEL art book, there are no other sources for Art-in-Transit.
I think I've already talked plenty of what a CD shelter is, and what you quoted from MacPherson MRT station is unsourced.
Lead is expanded a little, but not too much given it's a very brief article.
Uncurled the quote marks, but italicised the title.
FN11 is still a relevant source to explain where the old folks home is currently.

Thanks for the review. ZKang123 (talk) 03:18, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You’re welcome (I’ll leave it to second opinion) Brachy08 _(Talk) 03:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. There actually is. That's how I promoted Outram Park MRT station to GA status. Brachy08 _(Talk) 05:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go Brachy08 _(Talk) 05:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I admittedly find Outram Park station not deserving of its GA status given there is actually a lot of info I still haven't written, especially on its construction and artwork.
Facebook is not a reliable source. ZKang123 (talk) 05:47, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, just stick with the two sources. Furthermore, the GA requirements do not say "all the stuff related to it should be included", that's for FA. Brachy08 _(Talk) 05:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ZKang123, I unfortunately have to agree with you. That being said, the conversation should be dropped, it isn't relevant to this GA review. I'll have my notes out later today. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 14:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Images

Image rights are all in order.
The formatting is off however, MOS:SANDWICH issue essentially. Honestly, a gallery template might be necessary
- I might look into it.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Hougang station in Singapore" vague caption
- Added northeastern Singapore--ZKang123 (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Art in transit artwork along the concourse wall" Please capitalize/hyphenate this properly.
- Done--ZKang123 (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What does "File:NE14 Hougang MRT Exit A 20230514 133351.jpg" contribute to the overall piece, I fail to see how an exit to the station is a significant contribution to the article.
- Its the entrance with the circular roof. Added in the caption.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly recommend adding Alt text (optional)
- Branchy seems to have done that.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-Vios

Spot-checks find nothing exciting.
Similarly, nothing on Earwig of note

Sources

A few of these I'll have to take on good faith. What is linked is either live or properly archived.
FN 11, Society For The Aged Sick. It is a WP:PRIMARY source, please justify
- It is for the present address of the elderly home. So I decided to quote it right from the home's website.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SBS Transit. Not thrilled about this being used as a source, that being said, I see other GAs with this source so I'll allow it.
So sources 35-36 and 38-40 can be merged together for simplicity. It would be a nicer format but I don't think there's an MOS that explicitly states this. (optional)
- I prefer not since it's pretty much a range and would just make entire paragraphs be attributed to a singular source.--ZKang123 (talk)

Prose

"Hougang MRT station is an underground Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) station on the North East line (NEL). Located in Hougang, Singapore" change to "Hougang MRT station is an underground Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) station on the North East line (NEL), located in Hougang, Singapore."

-adding the location to the first sentence best meets MOS:FIRST and helps the article flow better.

- Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"an old folks home" can you reword this please, it's a bit informal.
- Changed to retirement home.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Art-in-Transit, please define this later on, the article doesn't establish was this is and I don't see another article to like this to.
- Removed in lead. It's explained in the body.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"On 18 October 2005..." This whole paragraph reads like WP:UNDUE. I fail to see how it is relevant to itemize every single criminal act at the station. Making a one sentence blurb, saying something to the effect of "In two instances in 2005 and 2017, Hougang MRT station was briefly closed due to suspicious bags." or something to that effect would suffice.
- Removed the paragraph.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Kovan stations" link
- Kovan is alr linked in the history section. Do I need to link again?
"unique manner to set a welcoming atmosphere for commuters" specify
- Source is very vague on this.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"These panels were then assembled and rearranged such that the rows of hands were seamless and free-flowing." WP:PUFFERY reword for an encyclopedic tone
- Reword.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @Brachy0008:, this is the format I like to follow for GA reviews. It is important to comment that something has been checked, even if there's nothing wrong with the criteria itself. Like I said, GA reviews are lengthy processes, and can take weeks in many cases. If you have any additional comments, feel free to add them to the appropriate subsection. Likewise, if you have any questions, please please please ping me. GAR is essentially a discussion, and the reviewer isn't going to get everything right. It is the nominator's job to clarify certain points if necessary. I also like to leave some general improvements that aren't necessary but can still help the article. There is a level of editor discretion that GARs have, finding a happy medium comes with trial and error. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 03:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ZKang123:, kicking this back to you. I made some edits myself, please check them when you can. All-in-all good job, it should be simple enough to clean this up. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 03:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ZKang123 Here are a couple of more things, nearly there. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 01:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Second round

"unique manner to set a welcoming atmosphere for commuters" WP:PUFFERY and reads like WP:PROMOTION
Image format is still wonky. Either cut "File:NE14 Hougang MRT Exit A 20230514 133351.jpg" or use a gallery template
- Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Etriusus

I'm gonna be blunt on this one, @ZKang123: please remember WP:AGF. Don't tell users to stop reviewing GAs, everyone has to start somewhere and frankly it isn't conducive to learning. @Brachy0008: Please review the GA criteria, and drop by other reviews in progress to get better familiarized with how GARs are done. I applaud you for Being bold, but GA reviews can be a lengthy process. I see you already got through 2 other reviews without issue, so you do show promise. Brachy0008, in leu of me just taking over this review, would you like to 'tag-team' this? You can have credit for the drive, I would just rather correct whatever issues you may have rather than send you packing. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 04:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let's tag-team. Brachy08 _(Talk) 05:40, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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