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Proposed merge

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Hot Chicken sandwich → Chicken sandwich

--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After reading this article there are many issues with it:

There is significant overlap of the subject - The sandwich is just a simple variation of an open faced chicken sandwich, it does not establish why it is unique. Simply stated, just putting peas on a open sandwich does not make it different or unique, and neither does the fact that this variant purportedly originated in Canada.
It duplicates substantially with chicken sandwich - As open faced sandwiches are rather common types of sandwiches, and this just presents a single variation that is served in Canada, there is no notability to it.
Beyond the initial issues, there is a problem with the sources used to create it. This article is really poorly sourced - all sources provided are cookbooks, which by their nature do not meet the standards of reliability. Cookbooks do not have the editorial oversight of other forms of publications such as journals, newspapers and the like. The claims made in them usually are second hand, local legend or other similar forms of attributions that cannot be verified easily.

Basically the article does not establish what would set it apart from other chicken sandwiches, and as such it does not merit its own article.

For these reasons, I believe it should be merged into chicken sandwich. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree.--ɱ (talk) 00:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tricky proposition. The chicken sandwich article, before nominator's recent edits, was not so broad in scope as to cover all sandwiches using chicken, but really just the hot sandwich that resembles a hamburger but uses a single piece of chicken in place of a beef patty. That said, neither this chicken burger sandwich nor the Canadian hot chicken really has sufficiently substantial coverage to warrant its own article. I would suggest merging Chicken sandwich into Hamburger#Variations and Hot Chicken sandwich into Open sandwich#In various countries, as the form is a somewhat better classifier of sandwiches than the type of meat used. Ibadibam (talk) 21:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A hamburger consists solely of ground meat formed into a patty, so there is very little association with the two - other than you can make a hamburger from chicken. A chicken sandwich can be made from whole chicken piece (a filet), shredded chicken (pulled chicken), chopped chicken (chicken salad sandwich) or ground chicken (a chicken patty). What I have found while working in the restaurant industry for thirty+ years is that in certain parts of the world, all hot sandwiches are called "burgers" - whether fish, chicken etc. So by your logic, all hot sandwiches should be put in as variations of burgers.--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The thing that must be substantially answered is, what is more defining about a sandwich: its ingredients, or its culinary or cultural function? Many sandwiches contain beef, for example. Does this mean that steak sandwich, hamburger and roast beef sandwich should all be located at beef sandwich? Is it more informative to a reader to present a comparative description of all dishes of a broad category made of a certain ingredient, or of all dishes of a specific category made of different ingredients? Naturally, different dishes will necessitate different organizational approaches, but in this case I think there's not much benefit to the reader in conflating a hot open-faced sandwich with a hamburger alternative, which is what is proposed here. If Hot Chicken sandwich doesn't stand on its own, perhaps it should be merged to open sandwich, or a new page, perhaps hot open sandwich, should be created to consolidate this with Hot Brown, Turkey Devonshire and the like. Ibadibam (talk) 01:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, while a Hot Chicken sandwich may be merged into other categories with as suggested by Ibadibam, merging into Chicken sandwich simply due to their similarities in name and ingredients is logical fallacy. The first two points are really just one one point; fact is though, just because it's a "simple variant" or a "single variation that is served in Canada" does not make the article an automatic rationale for a merge. After all, should we also merge Gelato with ice cream? Crêpe and Palatschinke? Following the logic of these two points, we should take all the separate bread articles and turn it into maybe 2 or 3 separate article, depending on whether using different grain or leavening makes them worthy of notability. The third point is valid in that the cookbooks are not the most reliable source of materials. But when writing on a topic that does not have slews of researchers generating primary sources, you make do. And fact is this, we are writing an article and gathering sources about FOOD here. Unless someone, or a group of people, have spent their life writing giant books of academic research on it, cookbooks are the source. Note too that the cookbooks and food periodicals cited are from various periods, which give one a high-quality first-hand view of the social context of who this sandwich was made for and where it was served. And when someone David McMillan's stature tells you the cultural importance of the dish, he's probably not wrong. This article is poor candidate for a merge to Chicken sandwich. If anything, it is more worthy of standing on it's own the latter article. Jeanpetr (talk) 20:50, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, it can be adequately covered in the parent article. Dennis 2¢ 15:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Aside from the duplication, it seems like there is potential confusion. I'm sure there are sandwiches called a "hot chicken sandwich" that are sandwiches featuring hot chicken (or hot sandwiches containing chicken) that are different from this type of sandwich. That ambiguity is better handled by having an article that discusses the various types of chicken sandwiches in general. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT this is not an open-faced sandwich. The lower layer of bread is at the bottom, the chicken is in the middle, the top layer of bread is placed on top, and then it is covered in gravy and peas, so it is closed faced -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 03:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do not merge This is a specific type of sandwich found in Canada, and is not just a heated sandwich containing chicken, or a sandwich containing heated chicken, or a spicy chicken sandwich, it is different. A hatnote to the standard sandwich is all that is needed. If another article shows up, parenthetical disambiguation can be added. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 03:53, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: clear consensus to move the page/uncontroversial, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:21, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hot Chicken sandwich → Hot chicken sandwich – per Manual of Style on titles Qwerty Binary (talk) 03:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC) --Qwerty Binary (talk) 03:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move - Although there is considerable use in print sources with capitalized "Hot Chicken", the manual of style doesn't consider names of dishes as proper names except when trademarked, which this is not. Ibadibam (talk) 04:33, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The merge discussion above is more interesting. I'm neutral on the name change. Normally, c makes better sense but if the sources are capping it (haven't checked, thus neutral) then we would. I'm still convinced it needs a merge. Dennis - 2¢ 10:30, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support move unless merged. The current capitalization seems awkward and contrary to the MoS. The merge may be the better approach. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support clearly not a proper noun.--69.157.253.160 (talk) 23:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll support, purely because of our MoS. Berrenerreb (talk) 23:26, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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hot chicken sandwich -- on wiktionary

FYI, wikt:en:hot chicken sandwich was deleted as being a non-existent item. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete

Y Merger complete. Information from this article has been merged into Chicken sandwich. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]