Talk:Hosokawa Gracia

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Where did you find the evidence for her canonization? I looked around, and didn't find anything.Monsieurtode 00:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Revision

The account of Gracia written previously had the outline right, but there were so many clear mistakes it needed revision. For example, Tadaoki did not go into seclusion with her in 1582, and Ieyasu was certainly not his liege lord in 1600. Some other statements I have never heard and find very doubtful, such that Tadaoki asked Hideyoshi to talk with her, and especially that she was canonized. As no one has given an answer to Monsieurtode's query in the last six months, I delete all mention of it. Stone-turner

Hosokawa Gracia

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All the material under "Popular Culture" was moved by Fg2, but straight-forward, accurate historical novels like Lady Gracia and even the novel Shogun do not belong with videos, manga, etc., so I restored the former to this page.--Stone-turner (talk) 05:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

"The Vatican made her a saint in 1862."

I fact-tagged this, but it really needs to be sourced before it is included. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Relation to Empress Shoken is questionable

I got rid of a paragraph which claims a lineal relationship of Empress Shoken (born as Ichojo Haruko) but it is hardly to traceable. See following:

• Empress Shoken is a descendant of Minamoto clan from her father's maternal line (ja:一条忠香 (Ichojo Tadaka) says his mother was a daughter of a Hosokawa (ja:細川斉茲, Hosokawa Narishige).
• Hosokawa Narishige was a lineal descendant of Hosokawa Tadaoki (ja:細川忠興）, Garacia's spouse.
• The parental line is as follows: ja:細川忠興(Tadaoki)-ja:細川立孝(Tatsutaka)-ja:細川行孝(Yukitaka)-ja:細川有孝(Aritaka)-ja:細川興生(Okinari)-ja:細川興文(Okinori)-細川斉茲.
• While Hosokawa Narishige, a grandfather of the empress was a descendant of Garacia's spouse, it doesn't necessarily mean they were offsprings of Garacia too. On the contrary Tadaoki made up Tatsutaka from his other concubine, Japanese Wikipedia says: 足利氏の支流・細川氏の細川忠興の四男。母は幾知（清田鎮乗の娘） (on ja:細川立孝)。
• Garacia gave a birth at least to four children. All of them had offspring, but they were mainly connected to other samurai, not kuge. It is unlikely the empress had a relation to Gracia directly, and can hardly accept without citing reliable genealogy. --Aphaia (talk) 07:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

bad math

If she was born in 1562 and her father killed Oda in 1582, she was not a teenager unless you can pinpoint that she was 19. 108.18.136.147 (talk) 22:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Death of Toda Mariko in Shogun

Didn't want to bloat the revision summary, so adding it here:
Not accidental: In the novel she intentionally let herself be killed by an explosion, so that her death would serve as a protest against the abduction attempt.
Not embarrassing: Her death isn't seen as embarrassing by either her allies or her enemies, she is seen as a very brave and dutiful woman by every character. -- Kazerniel (talk) 02:33, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Revisions

I have added a relevant photograph (taken by myself) of the monument marking the area where Gracia hid between 1582 and 1584. I have also added and corrected several facts using Laures' Two Christian Heroes volume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spockasia (talk • contribs) 13:38, 7 April 2018 (UTC)