Talk:Horvat

Quote from the article: "The surname originates from Croatia, Horvat being the older version of the word Hrvat, which means Croat in Croatian." This is certainly not correct, since Horvat is an exonym, given to people who lived under the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in the extended flat region of Slavonia (some call it kajkavian region). Hungarians thus created a artificial "Croatian" subregion under the monarchy.

Horváth is also the first surname in Slovakia. The only difference is spelling, so there is no sense in splitting those two names apart.

Please if someone can correct this - I am not a contributor here and may cause rather damage than good. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.103.137.113 (talk) 16:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

artificial "Croatian" subregion under the monarchy. What? Habsburgs were Croatian kings. See Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) Horvat is an old Slavic word for Croat and surname Horvat means Croat. Whenever persons today declare themselves to be Slovenian, Slovak, Hungarian, or even Serbs because they are ortodox. In Bosnia there is surname HRVAT among muslims, but they say they are Bosniaks. Still, meaning of these surnames is clear.

Jasenovac Research Institute as a source?

I raised both of my eyebrows at the claim that 500 people named Horvat died in Jasenovac. While I wouldn't be surprised if it was typical Serbian or Jewish name, I found it highly questionable that people with the most Croatian surname to exist (literally meaning "Croatian") were targeted in ustashe campaigns. Hungarians weren't targeted as well. Then I wondered....is it possible that ustashe killed that many political enemies with that surname.....and then I did some research. Oh dear. A few minutes on their official site and facebook page was enough. They are incredibly biased organisation, probably another one of Serbian government's tools to spread pro-Serbian propaganda (and Serbian government is exactly like Russian one when it comes to online propaganda and internet bots). One of the things they do is pretty much listing anyone who ever died in Yugoslavia during WW2, and that's how Horvats made on their list. One look at Horvats on their list makes it clear that there are some incredibly German and Hungarian first names on their list and I doubt that they were of Jewish descendant. Another incredibly biased thing this "Research Institute" does is spreading pro-Serbian propaganda about Kosovo (what does Kosovo has to do with Jasenovac?) and spreading propaganda about modern-day Croatia. Now, spreading awareness about genocide and genocide denial is one thing, but this is not the case here. This is the old case of state-sponsored propaganda. And being a regular visitor to Serbia I have witnessed myself that Vucic's government is desperate to spread propaganda to as many foreigners as possible: posting anti-Albanian and anti-Croatian posters in english all over border checkpoints and even posting huge anti-Albanian banners in front of Serbian parliament in the middle of tourist season, where everyone will see (it is a tourist attraction). Well, the last part might be irrelevant to the whole point but what is relevant is the claim (out of nowhere) that over 500 Horvats died at Jasenovac. That is absurd. If the surname was Nemanjic or Swartz, I wouldn't have questioned it, even if the claim was 5 000 or more. But Horvats? Just look at the list....Ivan Horvat from Tiborjanci, father's name Ivan. Ivan Horvat from Đurđevac, father's name Luka. ....100% Croatian Catholics, both of them. It would be like placing 5 000 Hans Grubers from 99%-100 homogenous German-Christian villages on the list of victims in Auschwitz.. And if that was the claim, then people would wonder how did so many "Aryan" Germans ended up on Hitler's kill list.

My suggestion to experienced editors is to research this claim, I am convinced that no other source could list 500 Horvats who died at Jasenovac.  Who knows? Maybe I am biased. But when I stumble upon claims like this, I expect hard evidence and reliable sources, not what I found.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.131.197.60 (talk) 13:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)