Talk:Horned sungem

GA Review

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Reviewer: Grungaloo (talk · contribs) 16:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Love a good bird article - I'll pick this up. I'll ping you in the next few days once I've finished reviewing! grungaloo (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

That's good news, thanks! Jens Lallensack (talk) 18:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Comments

• Campos Gerais, mention that this in Brazil. I'd guess that's not widely known.

Done

• (today, the horned sungem is recognized as the only member of Heliactin) - This could be its own sentence instead of a parenthetical.

Done

• generic name should link to generic name (biology).

Done

• It is also found in a small area of southern Suriname and in another in the northern Brazilian state of Amapá - "and in another in the northern", missing a word I think? Or in another "small area"? If it's the second I'd suggest a rewrite, it's a bit awkward.

fixed

• A possible presence in the state of Rio de Janeiro has still to be confirmed. - This should be cited to the Birds of the World page. There's no cite to this sentence directly so it looks like it's cited to the IUCN redlist, but that source doesn't list this.

fixed.

• The horned sungem feeds on nectar of a variety of flowering - Think this should be "feeds on nectar from a variety".

fixed.

• the horned sungem was the most generalist feeder of the three - "The most generalist" sounds odd to me, and "generalist" might not be widely understood to some people. Consider a gloss or minor rewrite.

fixed; I avoided the term entirely.

• the second egg was laid within two hours after the first. - "was laid within two hours of the first", or "was laid two hours after the first".

thanks, fixed.

• However, the agonistic interactions of the species are expected to vary in different areas; for example - A bit confusing, is the variation expected, i.e., it's not confirmed but is predicted? If that's true, how do we know the swallow-tailed hummingbird is subordinate?

Only mentioned very briefly in the Portuguese source … I am not sure. I simplified it to avoid the issue, to be on safer ground.

• The IUCN has assessed the horned sungem as being of Least Concern. - Least concern should be lower case.

done.

• This species has been in high demand in the international bird trade, but from the 1980s this trade has been under control and abated. - A few changes. "The species was in high demand", the way it's worded sounds like it still is in demand which the source doesn't support. Also "the trade has been under control and abated", saying it's "under control" makes it sound like it's regulated - I would just say it's been abated.

I changed to "restricted", as it is important to note that it did not abate by itself; this required political action.

• The sungem occurs in several protected areas, including... - You can drop "amongst others" at the end since you start this list with "including".

Done (changed to "such as" to make clear that it is just some examples).

Jens Lallensack - That's all I've got. Everything else looks good. Refs check out, pictures are good and properly licensed, and it's a good coverage of what research is available. Feel free to reply to my comments inline, and feel free to disagree with any if you think I'm wrong! grungaloo (talk) 04:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Grungaloo - Thank you very much! While digging into the issues you raised, I discovered some more sources which I included as well. Now the article seems complete enough that I might be tempted to even bring it to FAC. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Everything looks great. Glad to hear about the extra sources too - I'll keep an eye out for this at FAC one day! This is a really well written article and I'm happy to promote this to GA. Congrats! grungaloo (talk) 02:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 03:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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Female horned sungem robbing a flower

• ... that the horned sungem becomes a nectar robber when food is scarce? Vitorino, B.D.; Frota, A.V.B.; Andrade, A.L.P. (29 December 2016). "Nectar robbing behavior of the horned sungem hummingbird (Heliactin bilophus) (Birds: Trochilidae) in two species plant the genus Amphilophium Kunth (Bignoniaceae) and Sinningia Nees (Gesneriaceae)". Biota Amazônia. 6 (4): 104–106. pdf
  • ALT1: ... that the horned sungem is one of few hummingbirds that is currently colonizing new areas? Source: Bartley, G.; Swash, A.; Melchels, J. (2022). Hummingbirds: a celebration of nature's jewels. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press. p. 167. ISBN 978-0-691-18212-4.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mount Churchill

Improved to Good Article status by Jens Lallensack (talk). Self-nominated at 03:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Horned sungem; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• I like ALT1 but I cannot confirm it in the article. For ALT0 I can confirm the hook and it is somewhat interesting. The article was recently promoted to GA and it is 15,125 characters so it qualifies. The QPQ is done and the article is neutral. Earwig is 7.4% and the article has references and citations. The image is licensed as free but I am unsure about where it is from and it is not great at this size. I recommend against using the image. Bruxton (talk) 02:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bruxton, and thanks for the review. Could you please specify what information you need. Regarding ALT1, the article has this sentence: "The horned sungem has recently expanded into Espírito Santo and southern Amazonia, being one of few hummingbirds that have recently increased their range." Regarding the image, I do not understand what you mean with "not great at this size"; are you suggesting to crop it (which would be no problem)? "Where it is from" – the link to the source is provided in the commons page of the image (it is a freely licensed research paper). Jens Lallensack (talk) 02:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, looking again ALT0 is fine as is and likely better than ALT1 anyway. The image is in fact properly licensed as you say... but it is difficult for me to see the bird. So a crop would make it useable at this size. Thank you for the clarification. Bruxton (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I cropped the image, and hope that solves the issue. It is the only closeup image in existence that shows this species robbing nectar, so it is pretty fortunate that it happens to be freely licensed. Jens Lallensack (talk) 02:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I moved the tick to reflect that we are all good. Bruxton (talk) 03:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How is "sungem" pronounced? /ˈsʌŋəm/, /ˈsʌŋgəm/ and /ˈsʌndʒəm/ seem equally intuitive. Other possibililties include /ɛ/ in place of /ə/, /u/ in place of /ʌ/ (quite likely if it's a borrowed word). — Smjg (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

We don't provide pronunciations for common language words such as "sun" and "gem" here in Wikipedia. Wiktionary is the place for this. See also WP:DICT. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 15:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

The word "sungem" is not the word "sun" or the word "gem". It is the word "sungem". Threfore, that is totally irrelevant. — Smjg (talk) 17:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

It would be potentially relevant if we had actual evidence that it is derived as a compound of "sun" and "gem", but no such evidence has been given. But even if it is, this still doesn't prove that it's pronounced as the concatenation of the two words. Look at "cupboard" for example. — Smjg (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

You can make permutations for any word with two vowels, doesn't mean that they're plausible. It's a fairly obvious compound word with an obvious pronunciation. AryKun (talk) 16:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Total nonsense. That is exactly like saying the word "father" is a fairly obvious compound word and claiming that it is obviously pronounced "fat-her" on this basis.

If you have a source for how the word is pronounced (i.e. an actual source, not a guess based on a wild guess that it's a compound of two words) then add the IPA to the article. If you don't, then just go away and stop giving us nonsense. — Smjg (talk) 17:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/sungem_n?tl=true Jesus man I'm not an idiot. AryKun (talk) 19:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)