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Aftermath	7,836	7,836
See also	256	256
References	30	30
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Flight path from flightradar24

Can i place an image of the flight path from flightradar24 in this article? AndreiLol09 (talk) 13:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer: no. See Wikipedia's policy on non-free content. RickyCourtney (talk) 18:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. There is consensus to revert back to the original name of Alaska Airlines... citing this the WP:COMMONNAME — Amakuru (talk) 21:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Horizon Air Flight 2059 → Alaska Airlines Flight 2059 – per WP:COMMONNAME. The overwhelming majority of WP:RS news sources use the Alaska Airlines brand name and not the name of the operator, which can be adequately explained in the lead and the infobox. I've also started a WP:AV talk page discussion about regional airline article names here; I think some general consensus is needed as this is not the first time this issue has come up. Carguychris (talk) 18:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revert title back to Alaska. Same spiel that happened on the United flight where the doctor was dragged off for being bumped; it was operated by Republic Airways under United, but United still was credited to the incident. WP:BUTITSTRUE isn't a sufficient argument against COMMONNAME. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 18:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose The majority of sources term this as an "Alaska Airlines" flight but this is not the true operator of this flight. News sources term this as an Alaska Airlines flight but this is primarily done to attract attention amongst the public. The IATA, ICAO and Callsign all indicate that this is a Horizon Air flight. Alaska Airlines does not operate Embraer E175 aircraft by itself. It operates under the Horizon Air brand. This title is also consistent with other airline article accidents too. Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 18:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:BUTITSTRUE. Also, please explain to me which article titles are consistent with this. Last time I checked, 2017 United Express passenger removal, which was operated by Republic Airways, had its title labeled to United and not Republic. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment but we have PenAir Flight 3296 not Alaska Airlines Flight 3296, as well as Colgan Air Flight 3407 and Comair Flight 5191, so regional airlines certainly can be the commonname for incidents over the airline they are doing business as. The question is whether Horizon or Alaska is the common name in this case, and whether yet know enough to warrant moving the page. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Carguychris. A majority of WP:RS call it an "Alaska Airlines" flight, so it's pretty much the WP:COMMONNAME. Corgi Stays (talk) 02:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Most Sources call the flight Alaska Airlines Flight 2059. Nothing more to add. XCBRO172 (talk) 05:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per this statement provided by ASA themself, stating that it's Alaska Airlines Flight 2059, operated by Horizon Air instead of Horizon flight 2059. S5A-0043^Talk 07:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change to Alaska The problem is that, for this flight, Alaska scheduled, marketed, sold, painted their livery on the side of the plane, and had all interactions with the customers. Horizon operated the flight as a contractor, but the whole system is setup so that Horizon virtually disappears and all passengers remember is Alaska. This is the same argument we have over ANYTHING related to regional flights in the US. It’s why Delta Air Lines and Delta Connections are listed on different lines when the average consumer would be hard pressed to name the operator of their Delta Connection flight. RickyCourtney (talk) 02:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reason why I was marking it as consistent was to keep it consistent with 2018 Horizon Air Q400 incident and PenAir Flight 3296. This flight wasn't a mainstream Alaska Airlines flight but a flight by Horizon Air as marked by all sources mentioned above as well as once again the flight number "QXE2059". News reports and Alaska themselves merely want to grab attention as an "Alaska Airlines" incident is far more eye-catching than a "Horizon Air" incident. For instance, view the page of Aeroméxico Connect Flight 2431, where nearly every WP:RS marked it as "Aeroméxico Flight 2431" which was incorrect: [1], [2], [3] since the flight number was "5D2431" and not "AM2431" which could also be argued as the WP:COMMONNAME. This is mainly because news reports don't quite highlight such factual inaccuracies unlike us Wikipedians. A similar issue is going on with this article. Just because some news article does not know the difference between a mainstream Alaska Airlines flight and a regional Horizon Air flight, doesn't mean we consider that as our WP:COMMONNAME. And also per WP:AATF. Also, note the registration N660QX. Plus, there are a good number of sources which refer to this accident as Horizon Air Flight 2059: [4], [5], [6]

Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 10:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppoose: Horizon was the true operator, so it ought to be in the title. It is easy enough to have the Alaskan one redirect here. Tkbrett (✉) 15:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or vice versa. 86.3.219.123 (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME. We went out of our way to use official name despite majority of sources only describing it and referring it to its COMMONNAME. WikiVirusC^(talk) 13:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As of me writing this, there are 144 results for "Alaska Airlines Flight 2059" from the past 24 hours (i.e. latest reports): [7] while 1,040 results for "Horizon Air Flight 2059": [8] Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 15:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Data from Google Trends actually suggests otherwise. Over the past few days from this data, more people refer to the incident as an Alaska Airlines flight. Margins vary, but for a supermajority of the time Alaska is the popular name. The first set of data focuses on the US; Worldwide data actually mirrors this as seen here. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:08, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you search it with the timeframe of the past seven days, it becomes more even: [9] Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 02:01, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The correct name is Alaska Airlines Flight 2059. Also, the plane carries the Alaska Airline livery. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 14:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your view is contradicting itself. Per WP:ACCURACY, the correct name is Horizon Air Flight 2059 as the flight number is QXE2059 and not ASA2059. The callsign is also HORIZON 2059 and not ALASKA 2059. This makes it sound as if this is an Alaska Airlines incident which it isn't, it is a Horizon Air incident, who is just operating its aircraft with the Alaska Horizon banner. Alaska Airlines does not own or operate Embraer E-175s, see the airline page. Horizon Air does it and per WP:AATF, the operator should be mentioned, not whom it was schedued for, in this case Horizon Air. The livery carried on an aircraft doesn't matter (e.g. The Comair Flight 5191 aircraft was in full Delta Connection c/s yet we refer to it as otherwise), it is the flight number (IATA and ICAO code) and the callsign that does and not some news channel who wants attention by calling this an 'Alaska Airlines incident'. Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 01:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Duplicated reference

References 1 and 7 point to the same source. I think they should be merged but I am not confident enought to do it. Tucnace (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch, fixed. Thanks for letting us know! Mokadoshi (talk) 21:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]