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Peer Review

To start off with I would like to say that I like how you have an area of background to explain Hoplite warfare in general before the rest of the article. I also think the picture you chose was a good choice. However, I notice you don't have a lead paragraph, which I would recommend adding with some general overview of the specific topic at hand. Also, some of your sentences are choppy in the way they flow together with others, so some combined sentences might be useful there. I also noticed that you only cite Neer as a source, and you only have a citation once. Might I suggest using some of the library databases to find other research or information on your topic. I also really liked the way you set up for the examples of Hoplite warfare in different pieces of art, but noticed it was not quite finished. It looks like it will be well done and easy to follow once it is finished with a few more examples. I would also suggest, depending on how many examples you provide, adding pictures for each one like you did with the Chigi Vase. I also suggest finding a bit more detail, possibly through further research, to fill out the page. Some links to other Wikipedia pages might be helpful too. Overall I think it a good draft with solid information, just make sure you cite. Mblackwelder (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Hi Gwyneth! Good job on the article so far! The main flaw I see with it is the lack of other representations of hoplite warfare other than the Chigi Vase. Right now, it seems more like a page on either Hoplite Warfare or the Chigi Vase rather than on Representations of Hoplite Warfare. Keep up the good work! -Robert Yancey Rob6820 (talk) 21:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Prof. Paga

Hi Gwyneth -- this is a good start to your article. You have some good comments already from your peer-reviewer and TF, and here are a few suggestions of my own.

Make sure to give your article a clear, precise title (this is how people will find your article on Wikipedia).
As currently written, your article will be flagged as a "stub" by Wikipedia, meaning it is too short / brief and doesn't provide enough information. Adding more examples (not just the Chigi vase) will help with this.
Add hyperlinks to other preexisting Wikipedia articles.
You need more citations and sources. As written, this article will be flagged for improper citations. Unless it's common knowledge, it needs a citation with a clear academic source.

Jpaga (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

Hi - I wanted to drop a quick note. Offhand I'm slightly concerned that this may be something that could be merged into the main article for Hoplites, as the article for them is relatively light and this article doesn't entirely show how depictions of hoplites in art would merit their own page as the sourcing looks to be more along the lines of listing for artwork. I'm also concerned that the article has some original research by way of things like "The viewer can tell that the giants are hoplites because of the typical helmets, the round shield held in the left hand, and the spear in the right hand." This is something that is dependent on how the viewer interprets the image, so someone may disagree with the interpretation - that's why it's always important to make sure to attribute things to specific people and to be careful of phrasing.

Offhand, to be honest, I would recommend a merge in this situation since both articles are fairly light and I think that this could be comfortably held in the main article. In order to really show that this would warrant a completely separate article we'd have to have a lot of sourcing that specifically covers this topic, which isn't on the page. If merged the issues of sourcing and other issues would still need to be dealt with, however they wouldn't be as immediately visible to incoming editors. (Basically, a page on its own stands out more, so issues need to be dealt with more quickly. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]