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New Information

Would it be appropriate to add the following information to this article to provide a modern day example of this phenomenon? "This phenomenon can also be seen in academia. Barbara Bagihole, the Director of Studies for MA in Women's Studies at the University of Loughborough, England, conducted a study that revealed that the women she interviewed felt the need to disassociate themselves from their female colleagues in order to succeed in their male dominated field. ^[1] " BishopTakesQueen (talk) 16:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bagilhole, Barbara (December 1993). "Survivors in a male preserve: A study of British women academics' experiences and perceptions of discrimination in a UK university". Higher Education. 26 (4): 431–447. Retrieved 22 September 2016.

Go for it. MopTop (talk) 17:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I am planning on drawing from the following sources for my research: Enterprising Identities: Female Entrepreneurs of Moroccan or Turkish Origin in the Netherlands by Caroline Essers and Yvonne Benschop Survivors in a male preserve: A study of British women academics' experiences and perceptions of discrimination in a UK university by Barbara Bagilhole Terms of Inclusion? Rejecting the Role of "Honorary Man" in the Ivory Tower by Alison M. Thomas Engendering Authority in the Group. by Erica Burman BishopTakesQueen (talk) 16:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone looking to edit the page further might find the following sources helpful:

Bagilhole, Barbara. "Survivors in a male preserve: A study of British women academics' experiences and perceptions of discrimination in a UK university". Higher Education, vol. 26, no. 4, 1993, pp. 431-447.

King, Anthony. "The female combat soldier.". European Journal of International Relations, vol. 22, no. 1, 2016, pp. 122-143.

Heisch, Allison. “Queen Elizabeth I and the Persistence of Patriarchy”. Feminist Review, no. 4, 1980, pp. 45-56.

Duncanson, Claire, & Woodward, Rachel. “Regendering the military: Theorizing women’s military participation”. Security Dialogue, vol.47, no. 1, 2016, pp. 3-21.

Essers, Caroline, & Benschop, Yvonne. “Enterprising Identities: Female Entrepreneurs of Moroccan or Turkish Origin in the Netherlands”. Sage Journals, vol. 28, no. 1, 2007, pp. 49-69.

Burman, Erica. “Engendering authority in the group.”. Psychodynamic Counselling, vol. 7, no. 3, 2001, pp. 347-369.

Cvejić, Žarko. “FEMININE CHARMS AND HONORARY MASCULINIZATION/DE-FEMINIZATION: GENDER AND THE CRITICAL RECEPTION OF THE VIRTUOSE, 1815-1848.”. New Sound: International Magazine for Music, no. 46, 2015, pp. 23-38.

Weiner, Jennie Miles, & Burton, Laura J. “The Double Bind for Women: Exploring the Gendered Nature of Turnaround Leadership in a Principal Preparation Program.”. Harvard Educational Review, vol. 86, no. 3, 2016, pp. 339-365. BishopTakesQueen (talk) 23:19, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Article Restructuring

I have the following plans for restructuring the article:

Replacing the two current images with one of Queen Elizabeth I

Dividing the article into two subsections: "In history" and "20th century to present"

Adding the following sentence to the first line and making that the introduction: Such a woman might be considered “one of the guys” by the men she associates with.

Adding the following in the "20th century to present" subsection: Women in the military face a similar problem. Recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have allowed them chances to take combat roles. However, in order for women in the military to be accepted and considered successful, they feel they must become “one of the guys.” Otherwise they face ridicule and exclusion.^[1] BishopTakesQueen (talk) 16:27, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ King, Anthony (March 2016). "The female combat soldier". European Journal of International Relations. 22 (1): 122–143. doi:10.1177/1354066115581909.

Annotated Bibliography

Dolan, Julie, et al. Women And Politics. Traci Crowell, Molly White. 3rd Edition. Rowman & Littlefield. 2016. p. 112.

Fraser, Antonia. The Warrior Queens. New York: Knopf. 1989.

Arnold, Betina. "'Honorary Males' Or Women of Substance? Gender, Status, And Power In Iron-Age Europe." Journal of European Archaeology, vol. 3, no. 2, 1995, pp. 153-168.

Sweetman, Caroline. Gender, Education, And Training. Oxfam Publishing. 1998.

Campus, Donatella. Women Political Leaders And The Media. Palsgrave Macmillan. 2013.

Genovese, Michael A. and Janie S. Steckenreider. Women As Political Leaders: Studies In Gender And Governing. Rutledge. 2013.

 Mmoore122 (talk) 16:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC) Mmoore122 (talk) 05:48, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and a suggestion

@BishopTakesQueen and Mmoore122: Thanks for improving this article. Just a suggestion - if there are additional sources that you think would be useful to readers, but that aren't actually cited, you can create a section at the end called "Further reading" and add a bullet list, like this: History of Irish Americans in Boston#Further reading --MopTop (talk) 21:50, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear claims?

"...and had access to birth control and abortions."

I'm not familiar with birth control and abortions in ancient Egypt, it might as well be true, but it seems there is no source for this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.188.208.101 (talk) 22:16, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question on adding an area for frame-working solutions to the problem of Honorary Male

This page provides some historical as well as modern day mappings of the honorary male. In many ways, this is a basic page for understanding the term honorary male, however, I am not sure this page deconstructs the power structures or the psychological side of domination and alienation necessary in further problematizing the term. This page gives a fantastic definition, but so does google. Perhaps, this page could be a source or foundation for helping those dedicated to eliminating historical and universal sexist behaviors which lead to the "honorary male". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack mahr (talk • contribs) 05:16, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Double blind?

In the current version (Special:PermaLink/867748532) there is a section Working around the double blind. Is it correct? I suppose it's a typo and I could change it to double bind, but... The word blind is used three times in it (including the section's title), which makes me think it might be intentional.
Any suggestions? --CiaPan (talk) 11:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.
The section has been added a month ago by Jack mahr. A week ago I asked the author for a comment, but got no answer yet. --CiaPan (talk)

No objection for ten days – replaced: Special:Diff/870449932. --CiaPan (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Bagilhole, Barbara (December 1993). "Survivors in a male preserve: A study of British women academics' experiences and perceptions of discrimination in a UK university". Higher Education. 26 (4): 431–447. Retrieved 22 September 2016.

[2] King, Anthony (March 2016). "The female combat soldier". European Journal of International Relations. 22 (1): 122–143. doi:10.1177/1354066115581909.

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