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"Mod 83" edits

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Hello. I suspect that User:Mod 83 is related to other users who have been making similar edits on this page for some time.

I am reverting the most recent edits for a couple reasons. For one, online forum discussions do not constitute reliable sources – see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Secondly, much of the content seems to be WP:OR that is not reflected in the cited sources. Citobun (talk) 06:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I want to make it clear that the user "mod 83" is not me, "mod83" - I am the HKFP founder and have never edited this Wiki entry. mod83 (talk) 00:15, 08 May 2019
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Irrelevant mentions of SCMP in "Background" section

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The mentions about press freedom and SCMP are irrelevant (or the relevance is unclear). It seems like promotional copy to link HKFP as equivalent to SCMP, and ties to press freedom are unclear or involves a few leaps of imagination to make the links. Recommend removing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.253.135.47 (talk) 06:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are sources that cite the dominance of SCMP in HK English news, coupled with the allegations that SCMP is subject to increasing editorial interference, as reasons that prompted the founding of HKFP (e.g. the Press Gazette reference). Citobun (talk) 07:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 2021

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@219.79.0.26: please explain how the content you are removing does not adhere to the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy. Thanks. Citobun (talk) 09:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple users trying to remove section on Kong Tsung-gan

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Recently more than one users has been trying to remove the section on Kong Tsung-gan's use of a pen name based on accusations of referencing the Grayzone as a source and WP:UNDUE, despite being a long time stable version. These accusations do not hold. One, the sources are not the Grayzone but rather SCMP, which is a secondary source which references the Grayzone and both partially confirms and adds onto it, the Standard, which made similar accusations as the Grayzone but predate it, and HKFP itself, which partially confirmed and responded to the accusations made by the former. And two, it is not UNDUE considering that Kong is one of the major contributors of HKFP, the subject of a legal threat made by HKFP against another publication, and also the subject of a correction that HKFP had to make in response to accusations of misuse of pen name and posing as someone else. Qiushufang (talk) 07:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@User:HaeB And here I have explained why it is not UNDUE. The acccusations have relevant consequences for the reputability and history of the subject, HKFP. You mention that the claims of the Grayzone "appears to remain contested, even according to sources you cited yourself." Which part is contested and why does it need to be wholly confirmed to be included? The HKFP admitted that Kong Tsung-gan is a pen name, which is a partial confirmation, and made adjustments to their website to reflect the change, but did not confirm their identity as Brian Kern. This is in the content itself. Is there a policy on Wikipedia where the entirely of one side must be true for it not to be UNDUE? If a scientist or journalist is only partially correct or their hypothesis partially confirmed, do they get erased from wikipedia? Qiushufang (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These aren't impartial sources. They are all pro-CCP outlets that serve as platforms for pro-authoritarian voices and fringe figures. SCMP is not even independent of the CCP. Furthermore, SCMP and The Standard are direct competitors to the subject of this article. The whole Kong Tsung-gan media frenzy was manufactured by pro-government entities against the backdrop of similar attacks on any non-pro-establishment news media in Hong Kong. It's inconsequential and WP:UNDUE, particularly since Kong Tsung-gan is not even an important figure in relation to the subject of this article. He was just an occasional columnist among many that HKFP publishes. Citobun (talk) 01:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
HKFP is not a pro-CCP outlet and it was one of the sources used since it has already responded in confirmation that part of the accusations made by the "pro-CCP outlets" are correct. Since all three sources, regardless of their bias, agree that Kong Tsung-gan is a pen name, which is the subject matter of the section, it is a majority view shared by all sides and therefore not WP:UNDUE or WP:FRINGE. WP:SCMP is considered a generally reliable source except in consideration of their owner and the CCP on certain topics which require a higher level of scrutiny. It does not automatically disqualify them in this case, since again, part of the claims, the subject of the section, as described were verified by HKFP. It is not a Wikipedia policy that all sources must be impartial. It is the tone which must be WP:IMPARTIAL when describing disputes. The description of events did not validate conflicting statements made by the Grayzone, SCMP, or the Standard which HKFP itself did not. That is why the section was not called "Kong Tsung-gan, who is Brian Kern." Considering that this is a dispute which involved the founder of HKFP, Tom Grundy, possible legal threats, a long time columnist, changes to the HKFP website itself in response to accusations, clarifications on HKFP's and public statements regarding those made by the other side, this definitely fulfills noteworthiness to not be considered undue as part of HKFP's history. Qiushufang (talk) 02:19, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Passage removal

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  • What I think should be changed: The text in the version as of today 10 May which reads, "...and the goal was raised to HK$500,000. The fundraising campaign concluded in June 2015 with more than $600,000 raised."

should in my view be deleted.

  • Why it should be changed: The cited Guardian reference [8] does not support the first sentence fragment above, and there is no reference given for the full sentence above (and I am not aware of such a reference).
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): Not applicable.

CRau080 (talk) 23:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

 Already done Lightoil (talk) 04:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update requested

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Hi Wikipedians -- I have a conflict, in that I founded HKFP so I don't wish to - nor have I ever - edited this page. Nevertheless, I'm hoping to clear up an inaccuracy in the opening paragraphs. The Wiki claims HKFP was founded "to cover the pro-democracy movement" - however, the two citations attached to this claim make no reference to this, and I can attest it's not true. HKFP's intent, over 9 years, as widely stated, is to be impartial. And our content should demonstrate that we cover the full political spectrum. This kind of mischaracterisation could have consequences for us, so I would be grateful if it could be removed or updated! Am happy to provide more sources about our impartiality and coverage, if need be. Thank you. Mod83

 Done per cited sources – notwally (talk) 05:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Hello Wiki contributors -- this is Tom again (HKFP founder) - I've never edited this page, owing to my conflict, but wanted to add that I've uploaded and released the 2024 revamped HKFP logo onto Wikicommons, along with a more recent, high resolution headshot of myself, should anyone wish to update the page. Mod83 (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and recognition

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The page seems out of date, with a lot more listed by HKFP https://hongkongfp.com/about/#awards

Are these all deserving of inclusion? 14.201.39.78 (talk) 03:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only HKFP appears to be promoting them. CurryCity (talk) 14:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what that comment means, maybe you can rephrase and go into detail. I undid the mass deletion of content, which seemed undue because it was mostly material that was already independently sourced. I have added other independent sources. 14.201.39.78 (talk) 04:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HKFP articles and Google project pages are not independent WP:RS about its own awards and partnerships due to WP:PROMO concerns. CurryCity (talk) 10:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unsure why the entire awards section was removed. SOPAs are Asia's most prestigious journalism awards. A full list of historic SOPA winners is here: https://sopawards.com/sopa-awards-archive/ and for the Human Rights Press Awards: https://humanrightspressawards.org/past-winners/ 45.64.241.155 (talk) 07:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't remove SOPAs. CurryCity (talk) 18:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Donkey Hot-day Perhaps there is a way to mention SOPAs even without independent RS? HRPA on the other hand seems to be organised only for awards considering that's the sole source. CurryCity (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have a reliable source (a source that at least has its own Wiki article) covering SOPAs won by HKFP, then feel free to add it. If they are truly "Asia's most prestigious journalism awards" in your own words, then wouldn't they have an article on Wikipedia covering them by now? Try providing some secondary sources in line with WP:GREL to support your claim that they are Asia's best journalism awards. Donkey Hot-day (talk) 01:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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