Talk:Honda Racing Corporation

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I created this article because there are numerous other articles linked here. I'm not able to find a lot of info on HRC except through their website, so a lot of the wording is very "commercial" which I don't like. Please help contribute here. Roguegeek 01:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Main Image

I'd like to find a nice image of the HRC logo to replace the image of the RC211V. Can't seem to find a nice one that can be used for promotional purposes. Happy hunting. Roguegeek 04:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I merged the Repsol Honda article into this one, it is HRC who is competing entering a team in MotoGP under the name Repsol Honda, much like Ducati Corse is racing under the name Ducati Marlboro Team Chris Ssk _talk 01:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm also in the process of ading team info before 1995 Chris Ssk _talk 01:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That looks incredible sloppy and irrelevant. These things are also two separate subjects. One is a corporation that specializes in developing motorcycle racing products. The other is a race team with a sponsor that has no direct link to the corporation beside the fact they get equipement and development from them. Two separate entities. I'm reverting this major change so it can be discussed with all editors involved. It's, frankly, too large of an edit for a sole editor to make a decision on. Roguegeek (talk) 22:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually Repsol Honda is run by HRC, it is run out of HRC's european office at Aalst, Belgium and HRC Japan has direct input and overall control over the outfit. Chris Ssk _talk 11:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

A race team sponsored by Repsol YPF and a subsidiary of Honda that develops parts are separate things. It's probably more deserving of being placed into the Repsol YPF article. Roguegeek (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

They are not separate things. HRC is the motorcycle racing subsidiary of Honda Motor Company and they run all the factory teams, they also make products that can be used by others for racing. it even says it on the article lead

The company combines participation in motorcycle races throughout the world with the development of high potential racing machines. Its racing activities are an important source for the creation of leading edge technologies used in the development of Honda motorcycles. HRC also contributes to the advancement of motorcycle sports through a range of activities that include sales of production racing motorcycles, support for satellite teams, and rider education programs.

In MotoGP they take part under the name Repsol Honda. Its common practise, Ducati Corse is a subsidiary of Ducati that runs the factory team in MotoGP under the name Ducati Marlboro, Yamaha Motor Racing is a subsidiary of Yamaha that runs the factory team under the name Fiat Yamaha. Kawasaki Motors Racing is a subsidiary of Kawasaki that runs the factory team under the name Kawasaki Racing.

it doesn't matter who the sponsor is, its Repsol now it could be someone else next season. HRC runs the factory team in MotoGP, HRC is the one that makes the decisions, signs the riders, suppliers etc [23][24][25] the team is HRC. Go to world.honda.com/MotoGP/team that has links to all the Honda MotoGP teams websites. Repsol Honda links to HRC's webpage. Same thing in Honda's Japanese website, Repsol Honda's official website is listed as http://www.honda.co.jp/HRC Also check the Japanese HRC page who has more info on HRC's racing teams [26]. Chris Ssk _talk 00:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

No consensus has been met here. Please do not make these changes without further discussion. Let's go get editors from the motorcycle racing projects and try to avoid an edit war. Roguegeek (talk) 20:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely HRC and Repsol Honda are separate entities and should have separate articles. Repsol Honda is a subsidiary of HRC, but it is not the same thing. HRC is responsible for support in other classes and series, while Repsol Honda is strictly a MotoGP team with its own history.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

At the current state of things, there is no point in keeping two separate article IMO. Sure the MotoGP racing team entered by HRC has its own notability, but take a look at the Scuderia Ferrari article for example. The Scuderia entered its cars in the Formula One World Championship, but also in the World Sportscar Championship and in many other competitions; still, there is not enough material to have two different articles, and the same applies in this case. Having two different articles, with some bits of information each doesn't have much sense, we should have an article with a broader scope instead. Asendoh (talk) 22:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Going by that reasoning, everything on the topic should just go under Honda. No agreement is forthcoming; the "discuss" and "merge" tags should be removed.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Roguegeek (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I would have to agree with Chris SSK. HRC is the motorcycle racing branch of Honda. The sponsors change over time such as from Rothmans to Repsol.Orsoni (talk) 04:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

But you're implying (by mentioning Rothmans and Repsol) that HRC is only involved in MotoGP racing. An HRC article that absorbed the Repsol Honda article would have to include, besides content about Repsol Honda in MotoGP, HRC's separate efforts in 125GP, 250GP, motocross, trials, endurance, etc., in order to make it clear that HRC != Repsol Honda.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

What is so bad about separate articles for Honda, HRC and the Repsol Honda teams. JiR, Team LCR and Gresini Racing all have their own articles. The primary factory team, encompassing the Repsol, the relatively unsponsored 1994 version and Rothmans identities, certainly deserves its own article. I'm looking at an article on Wayne Gardner and what looks like a link to a team, goes to the teams's tobacco sponsor. --Falcadore (talk) 12:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to restart this discussion. The MotoGP team is operated by HRC, and the Repsol Honda being names after its post-1995 sponsor is an artificial cutoff point, since Rothmans Honda is exactly the same team, but there's no info on the Rothmans and sponsorless years. --Pc13 (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

See my comment from June 30, 2008 above. I don't agree with merging, but I think this article on HRC could use more detail.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I won't argue that. If the article on MotoGP is indeed too large to be merged, then it should remain separate, but the HRC article should be rewritten with subheadings, explaining the degree of Honda's involvement in each area. If needed, separate pages should be split for each category (something like Honda Racing Corporation (MotoGP), Honda Racing Corporation (Superbike), Honda Racing Corporation (World Motocross), etc). But Repsol Honda is just inacurate. --Pc13 (talk) 11:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually coming around to the idea, because I see your point that more than anything Repsol Honda is Honda's factory team, but at the same time there are individual pages for other teams, like Team LCR, Team Scot and Tech 3, so having one for Repsol Honda isn't outrageously inconsistent. I suppose I'm on the fence at this point regarding merging.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 15:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll second the merger proposal. If the ayes outnumber the nays by the end of October, I'd say merge away.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 18:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

i would to begin again the discussion about Merging the HRC page with the Repsol Honda page. HRC are the Bike racing arm of Honda And Respsol Honda are there them, Repsol honda are named in the same way that in Formula 1 Ferrari are called Scuderia Marlboro Ferrari, McLaren are called Vodafone McLaren Mercades and so on.

Also I would like to suggest a merger because if you look at Formula One teams pages and other motorsport teams who compete in differnt series most include all the information on one page. Another reason is that the Repsol Honda page completely disregaurds the face that the same exactly the same team was once called 'Rothmans Honda' when under differnt sponsorship and even 'HRC Honda' i believe for a season in between the two deals and for wildcard entries where the team did not run Repsol Sponsorship.

There is an arugment further up the page that why does it matter when there are other pages for other 'Honda tam' like LCR Gresani and in the past Pons, Well these are indipendant teams who have there bikes supllied by HRC and although in the past have had 'Works bikes' and have in the past very close relations with the HRC team, they are still indipendant from HRC.

I feel at the very least the page should be renamed to something like 'HRC Honda (motoGP team)' Because this team did not start in 1995 when they got Repsol sponsorship. and there is no information about this team under differnt sponsorship it doesn't make any refernce to Mick Doohan winning the title in 1994 with the team under the 'Honda HRC team' name and this is wholelly inaccurate. .--MrRacingMan (talk) 06:21, 1st Febaury 2011 (GMT)

Also Repsol Honda are not a team entered by Respol has it states on the Repsol Honda page, they pay money to HRC to put there company name and logo on the bikes, This is very, very wrong. If this was the case then during the course of the 2010 season of Repsol leaving HRC Honda, there wouldn't of been talk about RedBull replacing them as sponsors. In fact there wouldn't be a 3rd rider in the team for 2011, because Repsol wasn't exactly keen on paying to put there name on a thrid bike. If they had entered the team therefore making the all the descisions Repsol Honda would still be a two nike team. --MrRacingMan (talk) 06:34, 1st Febaury 2011 (GMT)

23 Service shops?

The HRC site doesn't mention anything about HRC service shops, and google doesn't return any results for this. Most Honda motorcycle dealers sell and install HRC parts. Can someone provide a source?