Talk:Honda CB125

Excessive detail, repair manual and collector catalog info

RE: the serial/part numbers table. The Wikipedia policy What Wikipedia is not has a few sections that put boundaries on excessive detail: WP:NOTCATALOG/WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTHOWTO/WP:NOTMANUAL. Wikipedia isn't a sales catalog, or a guide for collectors wanting to complete their collections, or verify a model's authenticity. WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:RAWDATA say that it's against policy to fill articles with wholesale dumps of data without regard for why. There should be a prose encyclopedia article in which this data plays a significant role, based on third party sources.

We don't give instructions on how to do things, particularly how to buy parts for your motorcycle or fix it. The point of having statistics like displacement, horsepower, or wheelbase is to identify what a motorcycle is. We take our cuse from major media, books, magazines, general interest motorcycling websites. A review will tell you a bike's tire size or bore and stroke, or seat height. But carburetor numbers? Frame numbers? Serial numbers? Why? This is far out of the scope of an encyclopedia.

Based on this, we have WP:MC-MOS saying to exclude this kind of data, along with prices and colors, trim levels, incidental options and accessories. Unless a third party source considered a particular one of these facts worth mentioning, giving a specific reason why this color or that price was exceptional or interesting.

More broadly, anything that isn't from a third party source is of dubious encyclopedic value. We can cite primary sources, but by and large we should be guided by what others publish. Please don't expand this article with further tables data on part numbers or VINs and such without consensus. It's probably a waste of time to add content that is sure to be deleted. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2017 (UTC) Basically if a third party wants the specific information then it is okay to add to Wikipedia, that's how you worded it. But it is stated under colors https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Motorcycling# guidelines that it is okay if it's credible. The identification numbers for the frame, the engine, the carburator are all ways to tell more information of the bike, the Vin for example will tell you what factory the bike was made, what year the bike was produced and etcetera. Is Wikipedia only For the average Joe? Can I not post information that can be helpful for the people who have an actual interest on the bike?. You said that a third party source must first want that information for it to be okay to be on Wikipedia.; then my teacher, myself, anyone looking for this information is the third party that wants it. So then it is in my right to have it on there. You mentioned tire size, vs carb identification numbers, and that reviewers don't care for those numbers, how can you say they are credible reviewers when the wheels are what let the bike move, but a carburator is what allows the engine to run. It is a loaded question to ask what's more important, a carburator or the size of the wheels, when you can't have one without the other to make a. Motorcycle. There are many different variations of the cb125. This bike is very old, made at a time when there was no Internet and not everything was written down. There is very little information on this motorcycle. The identification information is important for someday this information will be lost. RiceCakeDaddy (talk) 08:53, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Historic accuracy

I owned two Honda CB125 motorcycles in Nigeria. One I bought used in 1963, the other I bought new in 1964. I rode these two 17,000 miles in Africa, while in the Peace Corps. The article says they were made from 1973! I can find no internet reference, but I saw a pre-1964 model at the Honda dealer in Seattle. They changed the handlebar design between my two examples. JimLudden (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)