Talk:Homophobia in ethnic minority communities/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Delldot (talk · contribs) 01:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Starting this review, comments coming shortly! delldot ∇. 01:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the hard work that’s gone into this article. It’s a fascinating topic, and a good start at a treatment of it, but I’m afraid the treatment here is not enough to meet the comprehensiveness criterion for GA.

It might be best to split this article into two: Homophobia in ethnic minority communities in the United States and Homophobia in ethnic minority communities in the United Kingdom. Then this article could have a section to summarize each of those as well as sections for ethnic minorities in other countries. That way the need to globalize the article is dealt with.

I’m certainly not suggesting that anyone is intentionally biasing the article, but if you have a whole set of examples of homophobia in minority communities, it creates a picture of “minority communities are homophobic” which is a simplification that I think many would take issue with. It seems to create an unstated comparison with whites that is no doubt unintentional.

I like that the article does use some books and academic sources, because I think there needs to be a more in-depth look at the issue to support the idea that is repeatedly suggested here that minority communities in the US are more homophobic than white ones. I’m not convinced that what one ball player writes on his eyepatch is good enough evidence to suggest that the Latino community at large is homophobic. So I worry that an over-reliance on news media, which focuses on one-off events like this, might give a more superficial treatment of the topic, might bias the article in using examples like this to form an oversimplified picture, without using counterexamples from white communities (e.g. have any white ball players made homophobic comments?).

IIRC in academic literature there’s the perspective from members of African American communities to the effect of, Black communities don’t always reject and eject gay members, they’re still one of us, while in some white communities, complete ostracism is the norm. I wonder if the absence of perspectives counter to the narrative that minority communities are especially homophobic indicates a lack of comprehensiveness in the article.

Similarly I think the (uncited) portrayal of homophobia among Asian Americans as the “result of a counterattack to the perceived feminization of Asian men in mainstream culture” needs more than one sentence treatment. There’s a lot of nuance there.

There’s also no mention in the US section of any of the communities of LGBTQ people of color that exist. I think leaving out those voices is a mistake.

Anyway, I have more thoughts if you’re interested and I’m happy to help however I can as we continue improving the article(s). Sorry to be abrupt like this and fail it outright but I think the changes needed are large enough not to fit well in a GA review. Let me know if I can be of any help. delldot ∇. 01:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I've just noticed the consensus not to split on the talk page--no problem, just need to add info from other places to globalize the coverage. delldot ∇. 01:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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